Debate on bill on Tuesday, 28 January 2025, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede and Lord Vallance of Balham. The answering member was Viscount Camrose.

Data (Use and Access) Bill [HL]

Lords report stage second day. Amendments 61 to 65 agreed to. Amendment 67 agreed to on division (120 to 105). Amendment 76 agreed to. Bill, as amended, ordered to be printed (HL Bill 64). (Part 2 of 2).

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Type: Parliamentary proceeding
Reference: 843 cc184-1361
Session: 2024-26
Department: Ministry of Justice; Department for Science, Innovation and Technology
Legislative stage: Report stage
Procedure: New clauses; Government defeats
Chamber / Committee: House of Lords chamber
Related items: Data (Use and Access) Bill (HL) 2024-26. As amended in Grand Committee
Wednesday, 18 December 2024
Bills
House of Lords; Data (Use and Access) Bill [HL]
Tuesday, 28 January 2025
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Lords; Data (Use and Access) Bill (HL) 2024-26. As amended on Report
Tuesday, 28 January 2025
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions: Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 843 cc184-614 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede
56A: After Clause 132, insert the following new C...; Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 843 cc201-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as will become clear, although I am moving Amendment 56A, it is not the Government’s in...; Baroness Owen of Alderley Edge | 843 cc188-206 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 69, 70 and 72. I declare my interest as a guest of Google a...; Baroness Gohir | 843 cc206-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support everything the noble Baroness, Lady Owen, has said. I declare my interests as...; Lord Browne of Ladyton | 843 cc207-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will speak to Amendments 69 and 70, to which I have added my name. I support the othe...; Lord Pannick | 843 cc191-211 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I add my congratulations to the noble Baroness, Lady Owen, for her skill and persistenc...; Baroness Kidron | 843 cc211-615 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is such a pleasure briefly to follow my noble friend Lord Pannick; not for the first...; Lord Sandhurst | 843 c615 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will be brief. I congratulate my noble friend Lady Owen on these three splendid amend...; Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 843 cc193-212 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will speak briefly on this group. Like other noble Lords, I congratulate the noble Ba...; Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 843 cc213-616 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am pleased to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Morgan, who did so much during the Onli...; Lord Arbuthnot of Edrom | 843 cc616-194 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I share in the congratulations of my noble friend Lady Owen. It has taken me about 10 y...; Lord Clement-Jones | 843 cc194-214 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this has been a very interesting debate. I too congratulate the noble Baroness, Lady Ow...; Viscount Camrose | 843 cc214-5 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister and my noble friend Lady Owen for bringing these amendments to your Lordship...; Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 843 cc195-216 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken in this debate, including the noble Baronesses,...; Lord Pannick | 843 c216 (Link to this contribution)
I just ask the Minister, before he sits down, whether he will address the point that the noble Lo...; Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 843 c216 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the opening amendment in this group is a government amendment that we are withdrawing, ...; Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 843 c216 (Link to this contribution)
Before the Minister sits down, that was exactly the point I was trying to make, and I am very gra...; Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 843 c196 (Link to this contribution)
Yes. If the noble Baroness wants to bring back a similar amendment on this issue, that indeed can...; Baroness Owen of Alderley Edge | 843 c196 (Link to this contribution)
Before the noble Lord sits down, may I get his assurance that deletion will include cloud-based s...; Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 843 c217 (Link to this contribution)
That is certainly the intention of the legislation, but I am aware that it is extremely complex.<...; Baroness Owen of Alderley Edge | 843 c618 (Link to this contribution)
Before the noble Lord sits down again—forgive me—I am concerned about women being inadvertently t...; Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 843 c197 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, I understand the point the noble Baroness makes. but that is also something which we are wil...; Lord Bassam of Brighton | 843 c197 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Bassam of Brighton
57: After Clause 132, insert the following new Claus...; Lord Bassam of Brighton | 843 cc218-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move the amendment in my name and those of the noble Lord, Lord Freyberg, and ...; Earl of Clancarty | 843 cc619-220 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I added my name to the amendment in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Bassam, and I, too...; Lord Freyberg | 843 cc220-198 (Link to this contribution)
I support the amendment, to which I have attached my name, along with the noble Lord, Lord Bassam...; Lord Clement-Jones | 843 cc198-221 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Bassam, for retabling his Committee amendment, which we di...; Viscount Camrose | 843 cc221-620 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Bassam of Brighton, for laying this amendment and introduc...; Lord Vallance of Balham | 843 cc620-222 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my noble friend Lord Bassam for his Amendment 57 on the subject of private copying levies...; Lord Bassam of Brighton | 843 cc222-200 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will happily withdraw my amendment. I am delighted to hear of the progress that the M...; Baroness Kidron | 843 cc200-223 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Baroness Kidron
58: After Clause 132, insert the following new Clause—; Baroness Kidron | 843 cc223-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will speak to both amendments in this group. Amendment 58, which is in my name and th...; Lord Tarassenko | 843 cc225-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I speak in support of the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron, on Amendment 58, to which I have...; Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 843 cc226-7 (Link to this contribution)
I have signed Amendment 58. I also support the other amendment spoken to by the noble Baroness, a...; Lord Freyberg | 843 cc227-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support Amendments 58 and 71, which address what I consider to be a fundamental overs...; Lord Lucas | 843 cc228-208 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I very much encourage the Government to go down this road. Everyone talks about the NHS...; Lord Clement-Jones | 843 cc208-623 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, all our speakers have made it clear that this is a here-and-now issue. The context has ...; Viscount Camrose | 843 cc623-229 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron, for moving her amendment. The amendments in this group s...; Lord Vallance of Balham | 843 cc229-230 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron, and the noble Lord, Lord Tarassenko, for Amendm...; Baroness Kidron | 843 cc230-1 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for a breakout of agreement at this time of night; that is delightful. I agree with...; Lord Holmes of Richmond | 843 c624 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Holmes of Richmond
59: After Clause 132, insert the following new Claus...; Lord Holmes of Richmond | 843 cc624-232 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in moving Amendment 59, I shall also speak to Amendments 60 and 66 in my name.
AI...; Lord Clement-Jones | 843 c232 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we have had some discussion already this week on data centres. The noble Lord, Lord Hol...; Viscount Camrose | 843 cc213-625 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my noble friend Lord Holmes of Richmond for moving this amendment. Amendment 59 is an imp...; Lord Vallance of Balham | 843 cc233-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Holmes, for his amendments on reviews of and consultations...; Lord Holmes of Richmond | 843 c234 (Link to this contribution)
I thank everyone who took part in this short debate, in particular the Minister for that full, cl...; Baroness Kidron | 843 cc215-237 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Baroness Kidron
61: After Clause 132, insert the following new Clause—; Lord Lucas | 843 cc222-6 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Lucas
67: After Clause 132, insert the following new Clause—
“Dat...; Lord Lucas | 843 cc226-238 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, if we are to live in a data-rich world, we really need a set of well-understood, good d...; Lord Arbuthnot of Edrom | 843 cc228-239 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this one should be easy. Last week, we passed amendments that said that the public auth...; Earl of Erroll | 843 c239 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I spoke on this before, and I will repeat what I said previously. The only way out of t...; Lord Clement-Jones | 843 cc239-629 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is clear that Amendment 67 in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, is very much o...; Viscount Camrose | 843 c629 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my noble friend Lord Lucas for bringing his Amendment 67, which builds on his previous wo...; Lord Vallance of Balham | 843 cc240-235 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 67, tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, would require terms relating to personal attr...; Lord Lucas | 843 c235 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very grateful to the Minister for that explanation. I am particularly glad to know...; Baroness Kidron | 843 cc241-3 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Baroness Kidron
68: After Clause 132, insert the following new Clause—; Baroness Kidron | 843 cc635-245 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I move Amendment 68 in my name and those of the noble Lords, Lord Arbuthnot, Lord Holme...; Lord Arbuthnot of Edrom | 843 c245 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as so often, I listened with awe to the noble Baroness. Apart from saying that I agree ...; Lord Clement-Jones | 843 cc641-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I too am lost in admiration for the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron—still firing on all cyl...; Viscount Camrose | 843 cc643-4 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron, for her amendments. The reliability of computer-based ev...; Lord Vallance of Balham | 843 cc644-246 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 68 from the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron, aims to prevent future miscarriages of justice...; Baroness Kidron | 843 c246 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister did not quite address my point that the consultation is not broad enough in scope, b...; Baroness Owen of Alderley Edge | 843 cc649-247 (Link to this contribution)
Tabled by
Baroness Owen of Alderley Edge
69: After Clause 132, insert the following n...; Baroness Owen of Alderley Edge | 843 c247 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister and all noble Lords who spoke. The Minister stopped short of saying that he ...; Viscount Camrose | 843 cc654-248 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Viscount Camrose
73: After Clause 132, insert the following new Clause—
<...; Viscount Camrose | 843 cc248-237 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I move Amendment 73 standing in my name which would require the Secretary of State to u...; Lord Vallance of Balham | 843 cc237-249 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Viscount, Lord Camrose, for giving me an opportunity to speak for 45 minutes on...; Viscount Camrose | 843 c658 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his clear response and for taking pity on the House and not giving us th...; Lord Clement-Jones | 843 cc660-3 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Clement-Jones
74: After Clause 132, insert the following new Clause—; Lord Clement-Jones | 843 cc663-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have the very dubious privilege of moving the final amendment on Report to this Bill....; Viscount Camrose | 843 c664 (Link to this contribution)
It is indeed getting late. I thank the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, for moving his amendment, ...; Lord Vallance of Balham | 843 cc664-250 (Link to this contribution)
I will speak first to Amendment 76. I reassure noble Lords that the Government do not believe tha...; Lord Clement-Jones | 843 cc250-668 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister. There is clearly no easy answer. I think we were part-expecting a...; Lord Vallance of Balham | 843 cc1340-9 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Vallance of Balham
76: Clause 136, page 169, line 20, at end insert—
Subjects: ICT Data protection Databases Administration of justice Arts Copyright Data processing Digital technology Fees and charges Evidence Gender Internet National security Public sector Standards Sentencing Sex Intimate image abuse Genomics Artificial intelligence Data centres
Legislation: Data (Use and Access) Bill (HL) 2024-26
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Data (Use and Access) Bill [HL]

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