Debate on bill on Wednesday, 9 July 2025, in the House of Lords, led by Baroness Smith of Basildon and Baroness Anderson of Stoke-on-Trent. The answering members were Lord Blencathra, Lord True, Baroness Finn, Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay and Lord Wolfson of Tredegar.

House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) Bill

Lords report stage second day. Amendment 23A disagreed to on division (139 to 158). Amendment 27 disagreed to on division (11 to 126). Bill, as amended, ordered to be printed (HL Bill 122). (Part 2 of 2).

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Type: Parliamentary proceeding
Reference: 847 cc1404-1450
Session: 2024-26
Department: Cabinet Office
Legislative stage: Report stage
Procedure: New clauses
Chamber / Committee: House of Lords chamber
Related items: House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) Bill 2024-26. Brought from the Commons
Wednesday, 13 November 2024
Bills
House of Lords; House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) Bill
Wednesday, 9 July 2025
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Lords; House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) Bill 2024-26. As amended on Report
Wednesday, 9 July 2025
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions: Lord Burns | 847 c1404 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Burns
23: After Clause 1, insert the following new Clause—
“Restr...; Lord Burns | 847 cc1404-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I welcomed the statement from the noble Baroness, Lady Smith, at the beginning of Repor...; Lord Young of Cookham | 847 cc1407-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have added my name to Amendment 23, moved by the noble Lord, Lord Burns, and I will a...; Baroness Hayman | 847 cc1408-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to speak briefly in support of this amendment, to which I have added my name. Th...; Baroness Smith of Basildon | 847 c1409 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness saw me shaking my head. I was doing so only because I always refute that we ar...; Baroness Hayman | 847 cc1409-1410 (Link to this contribution)
I am rightly castigated by the Leader of the House. I did not mean what I said about being a part...; Viscount Thurso | 847 c1410 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, briefly, I support the noble Lord, Lord Burns, having added my name to this amendment. ...; Lord Butler of Brockwell | 847 cc1410-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will briefly add one argument in support of my noble friend’s amendment. There is wid...; Lord Hope of Craighead | 847 c1411 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is quite clear that legislation is needed if we are to control people coming into th...; Lord Beith | 847 c1411 (Link to this contribution)
I draw to the attention of the noble and learned Lord, whose interest in this matter is much appr...; Baroness Berridge | 847 c1412 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support this amendment; I feel that it is only fair to the noble Lord, Lord Burns, wh...; Lord Moore of Etchingham | 847 c1412 (Link to this contribution)
Can I ask the noble Baroness something? The most important reform that ever took place in the Hou...; Baroness Berridge | 847 c1412 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Lord for that, but we are now in the situation where we have the Parli...; Lord Gove | 847 cc1413-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I feel compelled to rise again on the principle that there is no argument so impeccable...; Lord Sentamu | 847 c1414 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Lord for giving way. First, was Elizabeth I wrong when she faced a huge Privy C...; Lord Gove | 847 c1414 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful to the noble and right reverend Lord for his intervention, but I do not believ...; Baroness Hayman | 847 c1414 (Link to this contribution)
On the noble Lord’s last quip about some Charter 88, irrational view of the size of the House, I ...; Baroness Anderson of Stoke-on-Trent | 847 c1414 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am ever so sorry, but given the hour, I thought it would be helpful to remind noble L...; Lord Newby | 847 cc1415-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Burns, for his amendment and the way he introduced it. He ...; Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 847 cc1416-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in many ways this is the most important amendment we are considering today, because it ...; Baroness Smith of Basildon | 847 c1417 (Link to this contribution)
This is the first time I have been angry in this debate. The noble Lord is casting malign intent ...; Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 847 cc1417-8 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry if I have angered the Leader, but this comes from conversations I have had with noble ...; Baroness Smith of Basildon | 847 cc1418-1420 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I can reassure noble Lords on a number of items, but I will say that that is the first ...; Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 847 c1420 (Link to this contribution)
The Leader of the House has been consistent in saying this in opposition and in government. Is th...; Baroness Smith of Basildon | 847 c1420 (Link to this contribution)
I am not in a position to make a firm commitment. The House absolutely does its best work when th...; Lord True | 847 c1420 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister loves this word “shenanigans”; whenever I see a briefing in the newspapers, I know w...; Baroness Smith of Basildon | 847 cc1420-1 (Link to this contribution)
I am afraid that my use of the word “shenanigans” has been copied by many others since, and it wa...; Lord Burns | 847 cc1421-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very grateful to all those who have taken part in this debate, and indeed for the ...; Lord Blencathra | 847 c1422 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Blencathra
23A: After Clause 1, insert the following new Clause—
...; Lord Blencathra | 847 cc1422-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, despite the late hour, I make no apologies for returning to the subject of implementing...; Lord Newby | 847 c1423 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord will not be surprised to know I do not agree with him. We discussed this...; Baroness Lawlor | 847 c1423 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am intrigued by my noble friend’s amendment. Yes, it would make good some of the fail...; Lord True | 847 cc1423-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am always very touched when people call for the Front Bench. I am very happy, if I am...; Baroness Smith of Basildon | 847 c1428 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it has been an interesting debate. I will start with the basis of why I first suggested...; Baroness Lawlor | 847 c1428 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords—; Baroness Smith of Basildon | 847 c1428 (Link to this contribution)
May I finish my point? Do not get too excited—I will give way soon. I am surprised that the noble...; Baroness Lawlor | 847 c1429 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Baroness for letting me put my point again. I was referring to all the contribu...; Baroness Smith of Basildon | 847 c1429 (Link to this contribution)
That is actually not the point that the noble Baroness made at the time. Many Members of your Lor...; Lord Blencathra | 847 c1429 (Link to this contribution)
I hope I made it clear in my speech that the House would consider the options. The House would th...; Baroness Smith of Basildon | 847 cc1429-1430 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord’s amendment is uncertain, because I did not read it like that. It says:
“Whe...; Lord Blencathra | 847 c1430 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in view of the hour and the mood of the House, I intend to be brief. I merely say to th...; Lord Newby | 847 c1430 (Link to this contribution)
Surely the noble Lord’s amendment requires a statutory instrument to cover every single recommend...; Lord Blencathra | 847 c1430 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, it is one way to guarantee that it happens, but if this House can bring about some of the ru...; Viscount Hailsham | 847 c1430 (Link to this contribution)
Statutory instruments are not amendable; that is to say that this House would not be able to chan...; Lord Blencathra | 847 cc1430-1 (Link to this contribution)
Of course, my noble friend is right. I was not suggesting that we would wish to amend the statuto...; Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 847 c1431 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Wolfson of Tredegar
24: Clause 2, page 1, line 8, at end insert—
...; Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 847 cc1431-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 24 seeks to place in the Bill the Government’s intentions in respect of the d...; Earl of Devon | 847 cc1435-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Wolfson. I applaud his efforts to forma...; Lord Rooker | 847 c1437 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, on a debate such as this, the House really misses the Countess of Mar—if only she was s...; Lord Lucas | 847 c1437 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, if I could share my recollection of the Countess of Mar, I was Agriculture spokesman fo...; Lord Moynihan | 847 cc1437-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise briefly to support the amendment in the name of my noble friend Lord Wolfson. He...; Baroness Anderson of Stoke-on-Trent | 847 cc1438-9 (Link to this contribution)
Noble Lords will be disappointed that I do not have a line from the Box on one thing, so they may...; Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 847 c1439 (Link to this contribution)
To be clear, when the Minister says that the Government would seek to consult, is that consult ge...; Baroness Anderson of Stoke-on-Trent | 847 c1439 (Link to this contribution)
With Parliament. I am glad to be able to assist, even at this hour.
I turn to the points ma...; Earl of Devon | 847 c1439 (Link to this contribution)
The Bill addresses the determination of hereditary peerages and transfers that power to the Judic...; Baroness Anderson of Stoke-on-Trent | 847 cc1439-1440 (Link to this contribution)
I am not sure that I completely agree with the noble Earl but, in order to continue at this point...; Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 847 c1440 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister, especially for her reassurances. I think Moses spoke to ...; Earl of Dundee | 847 c1440 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
The Earl of Dundee
26: After Clause 2, insert the following new Clause—
<...; Earl of Dundee | 847 cc1440-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, within this grouping, Amendment 26 would enable a review of the impact of this Act on t...; Earl of Devon | 847 cc1441-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is always a privilege to follow the noble Earl, Lord Dundee, and it is nice to see D...; Lord True | 847 c1442 (Link to this contribution)
I am enjoying listening to the noble Earl, although I find it hard to forgive the fact that his c...; Earl of Devon | 847 c1442 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful to the noble Lord for his intervention, and I agree. There are many reasons wh...; Baroness Finn | 847 c1443 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, these amendments call for a review of your Lordships’ House to consider the effect of t...; Baroness Anderson of Stoke-on-Trent | 847 cc1443-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, from Devon to Dundee: as we approach Recess, it suggests a delightful holiday we may al...; Earl of Dundee | 847 cc1444-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for her remarks. On legislative scrutiny and holding Gove...; Baroness Anderson of Stoke-on-Trent | 847 c1445 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am ever so sorry. Can the noble Lord clarify what is happening in terms of the next s...; Earl of Dundee | 847 c1445 (Link to this contribution)
I was hoping to put this in context; my noble friend Lady Finn in her remarks did just that too, ...; Baroness Smith of Basildon | 847 c1445 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry to interrupt the noble Earl, but the debate has concluded and I think he is just about...; Earl of Dundee | 847 c1445 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Leader of the House for her interest. I am not going to be tempted to press ...; Earl of Devon | 847 c1446 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
The Earl of Devon
27: After Clause 2, insert the following new Clause—; Earl of Devon | 847 c1446 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, given that so many have remained until this stage of the evening, I would hate to disap...; Lord Strathclyde | 847 c1446 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Strathclyde
32: After the long title, insert the following new Preamble...; Lord Strathclyde | 847 c1448 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think that some of my noble friends have been waiting a long time for this moment. It...; Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 847 c1448 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, may I follow the noble Lord, Lord Strathclyde, and thank him for that unusual and welco...; Lord Newby | 847 c1449 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Strathclyde, described the preamble as “fine words”. He will know ...; Lord True | 847 c1449 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am slightly disappointed that this is the second time this evening that the noble Lor...; Lord Newby | 847 c1449 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord seems to forget that I moved an amendment for an elected House of Lords and, unles...; Lord True | 847 c1449 (Link to this contribution)
Well, that is true. The elements are greatly mixed in us, as Shakespeare taught us. There is that...; Baroness Smith of Basildon | 847 cc1449-1450 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord—I think it has been good natured generally, apart from ...; Lord Strathclyde | 847 c1450 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I cannot hide my disappointment that the noble Lord, Lord Newby, and the noble Baroness...
Subjects: Age Attendance Women Equality Elections House of Lords Disqualification Hereditary peers House of Lords composition Public appointments Parliamentary scrutiny Life peers Reform Succession Select committees Retirement Privy Council Office Judicial Committee
Legislation: House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) Bill 2024-26
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House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) Bill

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