Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bill on Monday, 5 February 2024, in the House of Lords, led by Earl Howe, Lord Roborough and Lord Bellamy. The answering members were Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede and Baroness Thornton.

Victims and Prisoners Bill

Lords committee stage third day. Clauses 5 to 14 agreed to. New clause agreed to.

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Type: Parliamentary proceeding
Reference: 835 cc1457-1534
Session: 2023-24
Department: Ministry of Justice
Legislative stage: Committee stage
Procedure: New clauses
Chamber / Committee: House of Lords chamber
Related items: Victims and Prisoners Bill 2022-23 to 2023-24. Brought from the Commons
Wednesday, 6 December 2023
Bills
House of Lords; Victims and Prisoners Bill; Heritage Trees Bill (HL); Economic Activity of Public Bodies (Overseas Matters) Bill; Protection of Care Recipients and Carers Bill (HL). Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee seventh report
Wednesday, 17 January 2024
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords; Victims and Prisoners Bill. Constitution Committee first report
Thursday, 18 January 2024
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords; Deposited Paper DEP2024-0383
Monday, 25 March 2024
Deposited papers
House of Lords; Deposited Paper DEP2024-0530
Tuesday, 21 May 2024
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions: Baroness Newlove | 835 cc1458-1460 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I add my support to Amendments 30, 31, 37 to 46, and 53. Compliance with the victims’ c...; Lord Hampton | 835 c1460 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have added my name to Amendments 30 and 44 to 46 in this group, in the name of the no...; Baroness Brinton | 835 cc1460-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have signed Amendments 31, 51 and 83 in this group. Amendment 31 would give the Victi...; Lord Hogan-Howe | 835 cc1461-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support in broad terms the need for the commissioner to have more powers to intervene...; Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 835 cc1462-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 36, which is in my noble friend Lord Bach’s name, as well as ...; Lord Bellamy | 835 cc1463-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank noble Lords very much for their contributions to this group. I first apologise ...; Baroness Chakrabarti | 835 cc1466-7 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps the Minister can drink a bit more water at this point, though that is not the sole reason...; Lord Bellamy | 835 cc1467-8 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Baroness for that intervention. I will continue to reflect on all the points ma...; Lord Russell of Liverpool | 835 cc1468-1471 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, first, I pay tribute to the Minister, who for 25 minutes has responded to this group wh...; Lord Bach | 835 c1470 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Bach
34A: Clause 6 page 5 line 25, at end insert—
“(4A) Regulatio...; Lord Bach | 835 cc1470-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, although this amendment has been put down rather late, I hope that once the Committee h...; Lord Russell of Liverpool | 835 c1472 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as it happens, I did read the article in the Financial Times, and pressed the little bu...; Baroness Newlove | 835 cc1472-4 (Link to this contribution)
I too support the amendment. I am grateful that we have put people into the Bill, because that is...; Baroness Brinton | 835 c1474 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I too welcome this amendment. Although I am speaking from the Liberal Democrat Benches,...; Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 835 cc1474-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I too read Dr Natalie Byrom’s compelling piece. I very much took to heart the points ma...; Lord Bellamy | 835 c1475 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not think I could have put it better than the noble Lord, Lord Ponsonby. It is a g...; Lord Bach | 835 c1475 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank all noble Lords for their contributions to this fairly short yet important deba...; Lord Hampton | 835 c1476 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Hampton
53: Clause 12, page 10, line 20, at end insert—
“(4A) Col...; Lord Hampton | 835 cc1476-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will speak briefly to my Amendment 53, which would insert the concept:
“Collabo...; Lord Russell of Liverpool | 835 cc1477-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak to a variety of amendments. I support the amendment just moved by the nob...; Bishop of Manchester | 835 cc1478-1480 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendments 56 and 59 in my name; I also support the other amendments...; Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 835 cc1480-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendments in this group specifically on domestic abuse services. The Jus...; Baroness Newlove | 835 cc1481-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I wish to speak in support of Amendments 59, 60, 62, 64 and 65. When you become a victi...; Lord Bach | 835 cc1483-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am going to speak to my Amendment 65. I am delighted that the noble Baroness who has ...; Baroness Brinton | 835 cc1484-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I want to pick up the last point of the noble Lord, Lord Bach. The duty to collaborate ...; Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 835 cc1487-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, to repeat what I said earlier, I dealt with a couple of stalking cases relatively recen...; Earl Howe | 835 cc1488-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this group of amendments brings together a very important set of issues, as we have hea...; Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 835 c1489 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry to interrupt, and I realise that the Minister has had to take over the brief at short ...; Earl Howe | 835 c1490 (Link to this contribution)
That is clearly a concern, and we must listen to the domestic abuse commissioner very carefully. ...; Lord Russell of Liverpool | 835 cc1490-1 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister very much for what he said. Does he accept that the officeholder, who is per...; Earl Howe | 835 c1491 (Link to this contribution)
First, I take the noble Lord’s point about the Victims’ Commissioner; I am happy to feed that int...; Baroness Brinton | 835 c1491 (Link to this contribution)
I apologise for interrupting the Minister. I am very grateful for his response; I am sure that th...; Earl Howe | 835 c1492 (Link to this contribution)
Indeed. We come back to the earlier amendment tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Bach, on how one sho...; Lord Russell of Liverpool | 835 c1492 (Link to this contribution)
Can I make one additional point? The Minister just referred to allowing police and crime commissi...; Earl Howe | 835 cc1492-4 (Link to this contribution)
I think we come back to the guidance on this—to get the guidance right and ensure that the focus ...; Lord Hampton | 835 cc1493-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who took part in this extraordinarily wide-ranging debate, whic...; Baroness Thornton | 835 c1495 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Baroness Thornton
67: Clause 15, page 12, line 12, at end insert—
“(c)...; Baroness Thornton | 835 cc1495-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will speak also to Amendment 69 in my name, and I have the support of the noble Baron...; Lord Russell of Liverpool | 835 cc1496-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Thornton, for speaking to these amendments.
We r...; Baroness Newlove | 835 cc1498-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support all the amendments. Listening to stories of stalking, we realise that it is j...; Baroness Brinton | 835 cc1499-1500 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I signed Amendments 67 and 69, tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Thornton. She was rig...; Baroness Newlove | 835 c1500 (Link to this contribution)
There is an important point about parole. I know that parole is in the Bill later, but I cannot w...; Baroness Brinton | 835 c1501 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful to the noble Baroness for that very helpful intervention.
At the end of ...; Baroness Meacher | 835 c1501 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will speak extremely briefly, because others have spoken at great length, to support ...; Lord Roborough | 835 cc1501-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, government Amendment 74 has been tabled to place a duty on the Secretary of State to is...; Baroness Brinton | 835 c1503 (Link to this contribution)
Before the Minister sits down, he said there is no need to add or specify independent stalking ad...; Lord Roborough | 835 c1503 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Baroness for her point. While we are clear that there should be no hierarchy of...; Baroness Thornton | 835 cc1503-4 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his comprehensive remarks and for his explanation about why Clause 15 is...; Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 835 c1504 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock
67B: Clause 15, page 12, line 12, at end insert—
...; Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 835 cc1504-5 (Link to this contribution)
I must declare an interest, not because of my own age but because I used to work for Age Concern ...; Baroness Fox of Buckley | 835 cc1506-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will speak to my Amendment 72, which I am delighted is supported by the noble Lord, L...; Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 835 cc1508-1510 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Fox of Buckley, and to support her ...; Baroness Brinton | 835 c1510 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am sorry that the noble Lord, Lord Wigley, was not here to move his amendment. Given ...; Baroness Fox of Buckley | 835 c1510 (Link to this contribution)
I can clarify that.; Baroness Brinton | 835 c1510 (Link to this contribution)
Let me develop this point first. The difficulty that I have is that the one place where a trans w...; Baroness Fox of Buckley | 835 c1511 (Link to this contribution)
I only want to clarify. The example that I used, to be clear, concerned instances where there was...; Baroness Brinton | 835 c1511 (Link to this contribution)
With the greatest respect to the noble Baroness, Lady Fox, and the noble Lord, Lord Jackson, who ...; Baroness Thornton | 835 c1511 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I congratulate my noble friend Lord Foulkes on his suite of amendments. I am not surpri...; Lord Roborough | 835 cc1511-3 (Link to this contribution)
I thank noble Lords for their contributions to this debate on two related amendments. The amendme...; Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 835 c1512 (Link to this contribution)
I think it is rather early to be saying, as the Minister did, having not read the Sex Matters rep...; Lord Roborough | 835 c1512 (Link to this contribution)
I am afraid that the response to my noble friend is that the Government are absolutely adamant th...; Baroness Fox of Buckley | 835 c1512 (Link to this contribution)
I know that noble Lords want to move on, but the key to what I was saying is that service provisi...; Lord Roborough | 835 c1512 (Link to this contribution)
I am very happy to take the noble Baroness’s comments back to the Minister and the Government, an...; Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 835 c1514 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I particularly thank the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, and my noble friend Lady Thornto...; Lord Roborough | 835 c1514 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Roborough
74: Leave out Clause 15 and insert the following new Clause—<...; Baroness Brinton | 835 c1515 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Baroness Brinton
75: After Clause 15,
insert the following new Clause—...; Baroness Brinton | 835 cc1515-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I can be fairly brief because we have covered the issue of mandatory training in other ...; Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 835 c1516 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Baroness Lister of Burtersett
76: In subsection (2)(a), after “girls” insert...; Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 835 cc1516-1520 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will speak also to Amendments 77 and 107 in my name, and in support of Amendment 80, ...; Baroness Bertin | 835 c1520 (Link to this contribution)
I rise to say very quickly, because I know that we are trying to get through this, how much I sup...; Lord Meston | 835 c1520 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, reference was made briefly to Amendment 80, and
“services for victims … with no r...; Baroness Fox of Buckley | 835 cc1520-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have an amendment in this group—sometimes the way the groupings lie is a bit difficul...; Lord Blencathra | 835 cc1522-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the noble Baroness, Lady Fox of Buckley, and shall speak to her Amendment 105...; Bishop of Bristol | 835 cc1525-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to speak on behalf of two of my colleagues who have supported amendments in this...; Lord German | 835 cc1526-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to add my support to those remarks from the right reverend Prelate. I have added...; Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 835 c1528 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will make two extremely brief points. First, I will address Amendments 80 and 107, af...; Baroness Hamwee | 835 cc1528-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I was there in the 1960s but that is not quite the object of this debate.
I was s...; Baroness Thornton | 835 cc1529-1530 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken in the debate; it has been interesting, if slig...; Earl Howe | 835 c1530 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I too am very grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken to this group of amendments, ...; Baroness Brinton | 835 c1530 (Link to this contribution)
Can the Minister give the Committee any sense of the timescale? This is really overdue. It was pr...; Earl Howe | 835 cc1530-3 (Link to this contribution)
I will need to write to the noble Baroness—and to other noble Lords, of course—on that point, as ...; Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 835 cc1533-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I gather that I am supposed to speak now, because I moved an amendment to the amendment...; Baroness Brinton | 835 c1534 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg leave to withdraw my Amendment 75.
Subjects: Complaints Criminal proceedings Codes of practice Crime Finance Inspections Enforcement Domestic abuse Migrants Judicial review Police Older people Offences against children Standards Training Sexual offences Victims Stalking Victim support schemes Victims' Commissioner Council of Europe Convention on Preventing and Combating Violence against Women and Domestic Violence Gender based violence Independent domestic violence advisers Independent sexual violence advisers Information sharing
Legislation: Victims and Prisoners Bill 2022-23 to 2023-24
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Victims and Prisoners Bill

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