Debate on bill on Monday, 15 May 2023, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Callanan, Baroness Neville-Rolfe and Lord Bellamy. The answering members were Baroness Chapman of Darlington and Lord Collins of Highbury.

Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill

Lords report stage first day. Amendment 2 to amendment 1 agreed to on division (245 to 154). Amendment 1, as amended, agreed to. Amendments 5, 9 and 13 agreed to. Amendment 15 (new clause) agreed to on division (222 to 154). Amendments 24, 26, 27, 29 agreed to. (Part 1 of 2).

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Type: Parliamentary proceeding
Reference: 830 cc15-80
Session: 2022-23
Department: Cabinet Office; Ministry of Justice; Department for Energy Security and Net Zero
Legislative stage: Report stage
Procedure: Government defeats; New clauses
Chamber / Committee: House of Lords chamber
Related items: Losing control? The implications for Parliament of the Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill. Secondary Legislation Scrutiny Committee twenty-eighth report.
Tuesday, 31 January 2023
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords; Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill; Northern Ireland Budget Bill; Neonatal Care (Leave and Pay) Bill; Employment (Allocation of Tips) Bill. Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee twenty-fifth report.
Wednesday, 1 February 2023
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords; Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill. Constitution Committee thirteenth report.
Friday, 17 February 2023
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords; Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill 2022-23. As amended in Committee.
Wednesday, 8 March 2023
Bills
House of Lords; Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill: Government Response. Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee thirty-third report.
Thursday, 11 May 2023
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords; Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill
Monday, 15 May 2023
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Lords; Deposited Paper DEP2023-0425
Monday, 15 May 2023
Deposited papers
House of Lords; Deposited Paper DEP2023-0434
Wednesday, 17 May 2023
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions: Lord Callanan | 830 c15 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Callanan
1: Clause 1, page 1, line 4, leave out subsection (1) and inse...; Lord Callanan | 830 cc15-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we have listened to the concerns of this House and today we are tabling a number of ame...; Lord Hope of Craighead | 830 c16 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Hope of Craighead
2: At end, insert—
“(1B) Subsection (1) will on...; Lord Hope of Craighead | 830 cc16-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think it will start our debate if I speak to Amendment 2 at this stage. That amendmen...; Viscount Hailsham | 830 c18 (Link to this contribution)
The trigger point in the amendment is quite a narrow one: “substantial change”. Has the noble and...; Lord Hope of Craighead | 830 cc18-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, “substantial change” probably accommodates what the noble Lord was thinking about. I am...; Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 830 cc19-20 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will speak to my Amendment 8. Before I do so, and in the interest of brevity, I entir...; Lord Lisvane | 830 c20 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble and learned Lord, Lord Hope, for his kind reference to what I said in...; Viscount Hailsham | 830 c20 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Lord for giving way, and I hate to cross swords with him on this matter, but th...; Lord Lisvane | 830 c20 (Link to this contribution)
I absolutely agree and, as the noble Viscount has made clear, a number of things could be interpr...; Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 830 c20 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I ask noble Lords who support Amendment 2 how it is that they now wish to involve Parli...; Baroness Meacher | 830 c21 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I want to make a single point. In his opening remarks, the Minister referred to the aff...; Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 830 c21 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am sure that the House will approve Amendment 2. I am not sure that the noble Barones...; Baroness Altmann | 830 c21 (Link to this contribution)
May I clarify something? In his initial remarks, the noble Lord suggested that the problems he be...; Baroness Andrews | 830 c22 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in following on from what the noble Lord, Lord Pearson, said, let me say that we had th...; Baroness Fox of Buckley | 830 c22 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have one clarification for the noble Baroness. The point was made that this is not a ...; Earl of Courtown | 830 c23 (Link to this contribution)
I apologise for interrupting the noble Baroness, but I remind the whole House that, as we are on ...; Baroness Andrews | 830 c23 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Lord. It is a measure of the speed with which the Bill has gone throug...; Lord Fox | 830 c23 (Link to this contribution)
We have a list; there are 240.; Baroness Andrews | 830 cc23-4 (Link to this contribution)
I am out of date already. That is excellent; I am very grateful and withdraw my question. I am de...; Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 830 c24 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak to the amendments to which I have added my name, Amendments 2 and 4. Like...; Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 830 c24 (Link to this contribution)
I greatly enjoyed serving jointly with the noble Lord on the EU Select Committee. I point out tha...; Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 830 cc24-5 (Link to this contribution)
I slightly wonder what effect they had on the statute book. The legislation went through, nothing...; Lord Carlile of Berriew | 830 c25 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Hamilton, in what he said. My only pass...; Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville | 830 cc25-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will speak briefly to Amendment 14 in my name, to which the noble Baronesses, Lady Ha...; Viscount Hailsham | 830 c26 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have a very brief observation about Amendment 2, which I support and seems to have th...; Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 830 c26 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in case anyone is thinking of voting against Amendment 2—even the Minister—it is worth ...; Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 830 cc26-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I put my name to this amendment from the noble and learned Lord, Lord Hope. I will addr...; Baroness Lawlor | 830 cc28-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank my noble friend the Minister for explaining so fully his amendment to the Bill....; 830 c29 (Link to this contribution)
Oh!; Baroness Lawlor | 830 c29 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry, my Lords, but it was clearly expressed, and it was expressed again in 2019. A mandate...; Lord Hendy | 830 cc29-30 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I doubt very much whether the will of the people was to remove the rights of working pe...; Baroness Noakes | 830 c30 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as a committed Brexiteer I was a strong supporter of this Bill, and it will not surpris...; Lord Hope of Craighead | 830 c31 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, there are references—for example, in Clause 16—to a sunsetting date, so there are parts...; Baroness Noakes | 830 c31 (Link to this contribution)
With the greatest respect to the noble and learned Lord, I think the main substance of sunsetting...; Viscount Stansgate | 830 c31 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is not my intention to detain the House for long, because I think the House wants to...; Baroness Jolly | 830 c31 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will speak briefly in support of Amendment 16, tabled in my name alongside those of t...; Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 830 c32 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, very briefly, I too added my name to Amendment 16, so well introduced by the noble Baro...; Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 830 cc32-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will speak—briefly, I hope—to the Government’s Amendment 1. I direct your Lordships b...; 830 c34 (Link to this contribution)
Oh!; Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 830 c34 (Link to this contribution)
I will have my say; plenty of people have had a say on the other side.
The disillusionment ...; Lord Hacking | 830 c34 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will move the House away from the Bay of Biscay and back to this Bill. I tabled Amend...; 830 c34 (Link to this contribution)
Wednesday!; Lord Hacking | 830 c34 (Link to this contribution)
Is somebody correcting me?; Lord Liddle | 830 c34 (Link to this contribution)
We will discuss it on Wednesday.; Lord Hacking | 830 c34 (Link to this contribution)
I got a prompt from beneath me that we are discussing this on Wednesday. I will not go into furth...; Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 830 c35 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am happy to follow the noble Lord, Lord Hacking, and I agree with both his points. I ...; Lord McLoughlin | 830 c35 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I very much welcome the changes that the Government have brought forward, but I also th...; Baroness Fox of Buckley | 830 c35 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I would like to focus my probing on Amendment 1—; Lord Davies of Gower | 830 c36 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Baroness has spoken once in this debate, and the good book says that it is on...; 830 c36 (Link to this contribution)
Front Bench!; Baroness Fox of Buckley | 830 c36 (Link to this contribution)
I think that I have been encouraged to go ahead. Is that appropriate?; 830 c36 (Link to this contribution)
No!; Lord Davies of Gower | 830 c36 (Link to this contribution)
No, it is not appropriate.; Lord Lilley | 830 c36 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, very briefly, the case for what we are doing was put best by the noble Lord, Lord King,...; Lord Fox | 830 cc36-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this has been a very extensive debate. The noble Lord, Lord Jackson, mentioned churlish...; Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 830 cc37-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it has been a bit of a saga getting to where we are, but it is incredibly welcome that ...; Lord Callanan | 830 c38 (Link to this contribution)
I thank all noble Lords who have contributed to this debate. I find myself standing here bathed i...; Lord Fox | 830 c38 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords—; Lord Callanan | 830 cc38-40 (Link to this contribution)
I do not require the noble Lord’s advice on this.
I will start with Amendment 2 from the no...; Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 830 c40 (Link to this contribution)
Before my noble friend sits down, will he respond to my question about sufficient consultation ti...; Lord Callanan | 830 c40 (Link to this contribution)
I have seen the letter from the Food Standards Agency to which my noble friend refers. The schedu...; Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville | 830 c40 (Link to this contribution)
Before the Minister sits down, I listened very carefully but I did not hear what he had to say ab...; Lord Callanan | 830 c40 (Link to this contribution)
Can the noble Baroness remind me what her Amendment 14 is about, please?; Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville | 830 c40 (Link to this contribution)
Water directives.; Lord Callanan | 830 c40 (Link to this contribution)
The directives she seeks an explanation on are not listed on the revocation schedule. Therefore, ...; Lord Hope of Craighead | 830 c40 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have listened very carefully to what the Minister said. I have not seen the additiona...; Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 830 c41 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Baroness McIntosh of Pickering
3: Clause 1, page 1, line 4, leave out “the e...; Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 830 cc44-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this amendment relates to the remaining sunsetting clauses. It is important to state at...; Lord Hacking | 830 c45 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as the Minister will recognise, the noble Baroness, Lady McIntosh, has taken a close pa...; Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 830 c45 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I wish I could support my noble friend but I am afraid I cannot. She shows a total misu...; Baroness Butler-Sloss | 830 c45 (Link to this contribution)
I welcome that 500 of the regulations will be dealt with on Wednesday with a view to them being r...; Lord Fox | 830 c45 (Link to this contribution)
It is the Minister’s turn.; Lord Callanan | 830 cc45-8 (Link to this contribution)
Thank you; I did not get up because I thought the Opposition Front Bench was going to speak. I re...; Lord Hacking | 830 c48 (Link to this contribution)
Before the Minister sits down, can he explain assimilated law? The present position—it is clearly...; Lord Callanan | 830 c48 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord is confusing two things. The schedule is the retained EU law that we are proposing...; Lord Hacking | 830 c48 (Link to this contribution)
How do we identify the assimilated law on our statute book?; Lord Callanan | 830 c48 (Link to this contribution)
The dashboard lists all the pieces of retained EU law that have been identified; the schedule lis...; Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 830 cc48-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, while I am extremely grateful to my noble friend, I think he has made a bit of an own g...; Lord Callanan | 830 c49 (Link to this contribution)
I have explained this, but I will do so again. The powers to modify, change or update the assimil...; Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 830 c49 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am not sure that that is entirely clear, but I have pressed the point as much as I ca...; Lord Callanan | 830 c49 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Callanan
5: Clause 1, page 1, line 10, leave out subsections (3) and (4...; Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 830 c49 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Baroness Chapman of Darlington
9: Leave out Clause 2
Member’s explanat...; Lord Callanan | 830 c50 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Callanan
13: Leave out Clause 3
Member’s explanatory statement; Lord Hope of Craighead | 830 c50 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Hope of Craighead
15: Leave out Clause 4 and insert the following new C...; Lord Hope of Craighead | 830 cc50-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will speak to two amendments in this group: Amendment 15, which I am moving, and Amen...; Viscount Hailsham | 830 c52 (Link to this contribution)
Could the noble and learned Lord deal more fully with the amendment provision? It is a most inter...; Lord Harlech | 830 c52 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, could I ask my noble friend to turn around and address the House?; Viscount Hailsham | 830 c52 (Link to this contribution)
I am so sorry. Being rather deaf, I have to listen to what the noble and learned Lord is saying b...; Lord Hope of Craighead | 830 c52 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the amendment, which I invite the noble Viscount to look at more closely, is carefully ...; Viscount Hailsham | 830 c52 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry to press the noble and learned Lord—while looking straight at your Lordships’ House—bu...; Lord Lisvane | 830 c53 (Link to this contribution)
It is with a certain amount of trepidation that I seek to answer the question. The noble and lear...; Lord Hope of Craighead | 830 c53 (Link to this contribution)
I am extremely grateful to the noble Lord for his explanation. I think the noble Viscount will ap...; Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 830 cc53-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we have had two significant amendments proposed by the noble and learned Lord. I have A...; Viscount Hailsham | 830 c54 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, if I might briefly comment on the suggestion of the noble and learned Lord, Lord Hope, ...; Lord Harlech | 830 c54 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the guidance in the Companion states that, on Report, Members are asked to make their r...; Viscount Hailsham | 830 cc54-5 (Link to this contribution)
But I asked a question; I did not make a speech before. The question is one that I want to emphas...; Baroness Williams of Trafford | 830 c55 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think my noble friend is actually making a statement.; Viscount Hailsham | 830 c55 (Link to this contribution)
I am making a speech, not a statement. I do not think I know the difference between the two. I wa...; Baroness Williams of Trafford | 830 c55 (Link to this contribution)
My noble friend is making a statement. He is not asking a question, and we should let others get ...; Baroness Ludford | 830 cc55-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, these are rather strange goings-on.
From these Benches, we support all the amendm...; Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 830 c56 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I added my name to Amendments 15 and 76. Amendment 76 is in the name of the noble and l...; Baroness Randerson | 830 cc56-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendments 73 and 74, to which I added my name. I will preface my re...; Baroness Noakes | 830 cc57-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I would like to offer a brief comment on Amendment 76 in the name of the noble and lear...; Lord McLoughlin | 830 c58 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my name appears on Amendments 15 and 76, spoken to by the noble and learned Lord, Lord ...; Baroness Noakes | 830 c58 (Link to this contribution)
Shame!; Lord McLoughlin | 830 cc58-9 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, of course, shame—absolutely a shame. I completely accept what my noble friend is saying. It ...; Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 830 c59 (Link to this contribution)
It is a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord McLoughlin. His historical point is completely co...; Baroness Fox of Buckley | 830 cc59-61 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord McLoughlin, is certainly correct that no legislation was forced on...; Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 830 c61 (Link to this contribution)
That is true—absolutely, not at all.; Baroness Fox of Buckley | 830 c61 (Link to this contribution)
Indeed, so that is true. For once noble Lords are agreeing with me: this House is not representat...; 830 c61 (Link to this contribution)
Oh!; Baroness Fox of Buckley | 830 c61 (Link to this contribution)
I am simply asking whether that is the solution to resolving the problems that we face in terms o...; Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 830 c61 (Link to this contribution)
Before the noble Baroness sits down, could she tell us, then, what Bill is the ideal Bill to brin...; Baroness Fox of Buckley | 830 c62 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I—; Baroness Williams of Trafford | 830 c62 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I apologise for intervening again, but the rules found in the Companion are very clear ...; Baroness Lawlor | 830 c62 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 15 is modelled on the amendment proposed earlier to Clause 1. As noble Lords ...; Lord Hunt of Wirral | 830 cc62-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall say a brief word. Having taken over from my noble friend Lord Hodgson of Astley...; Lord Fox | 830 c63 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this has again been a lively debate. The Government’s concession on Amendment 1 ensures...; Lord Hannan of Kingsclere | 830 cc63-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very struck by the change in tone in this House. For years, we were told that the ...; Lord Collins of Highbury | 830 c64 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, to pick up that point, we have heard in every debate a recognition that the Government ...; Lord Callanan | 830 cc64-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 15 tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Anderson, and moved by the noble and learne...; Lord Hope of Craighead | 830 cc66-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken in the course of this debate. I d...; Lord Hope of Craighead | 830 c70 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Hope of Craighead
17: Clause 7, page 5, line 25, at end insert—
“...; Lord Hope of Craighead | 830 c70 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry; it falls to me to introduce this group—again.
This is about devolution. One of ...; Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 830 c71 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have added my name to Amendment 39, and I am most grateful to my noble and learned fr...; Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick | 830 c71 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I speak to Amendments 41 and 46 in my name. These amendments would ensure that a substa...; Baroness Humphreys | 830 cc71-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak briefly to amendments in this group tabled by the noble and learned Lord,...; Lord Wigley | 830 c72 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, not having taken part in earlier stages, I will say no more than a sentence to thank th...; Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 830 cc72-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I too thank the noble and learned Lord, Lord Hope of Craighead, the noble Baroness, Lad...; Lord Hope of Craighead | 830 c74 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who spoke in this debate; I am particularly grateful t...; Lord Hope of Craighead | 830 c75 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Hope of Craighead
18: Clause 8, page 6, leave out lines 27 and 28; Lord Hope of Craighead | 830 cc75-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this is an entirely different group. Amendment 18 deals with the provisions relating to...; Baroness Ludford | 830 c76 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will be brief. I lend the support of these Benches to the important amendments from t...; Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 830 c76 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry to speak out of turn, but I entirely support all the amendments in this group. In part...; Lord Bellamy | 830 cc76-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in view of the fact that the most important and contentious amendment to the Bill, whic...; Lord Hope of Craighead | 830 cc78-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very grateful to the Minister for his careful reply. On the point that we are agre...; Lord Hope of Craighead | 830 c79 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Hope of Craighead
24: Clause 8, page 7, line 39, leave out “must” and i...; Lord Bellamy | 830 c79 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Bellamy
26: Clause 8, page 8, leave out line 1
Member’s explanato...; Lord Hope of Craighead | 830 c79 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Hope of Craighead
27: Clause 8, page 8, line 3, leave out “must” and in...; Lord Bellamy | 830 c79 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Bellamy
29: Clause 8, page 8, line 6, leave out paragraph (b)
Mem...
Subjects: EU law Powers Parliamentary scrutiny Ministers Sovereignty Regulation Parliamentary committees Sunset clauses
Legislation: Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill 2022-23
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Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill

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