Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bill on Thursday, 25 February 2016, in the House of Lords, led by Baroness Neville-Rolfe.

Trade Union Bill

Lords committee stage fourth day. Clause 14 agreed to. Part 1 of 2.

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Type: Parliamentary proceeding
Reference: 769 cc400-434
Session: 2015-16
Department: Department for Business, Innovation and Skills
Legislative stage: Committee stage
Chamber / Committee: House of Lords chamber
Related items: Trade Union Bill 2015-16. Brought from the Commons.
Wednesday, 11 November 2015
Bills
House of Lords; Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee fifteenth report.
Wednesday, 2 December 2015
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords; Legislative Scrutiny: Trade Union Bill. Human Rights Joint Committee first report with formal minutes.
Wednesday, 3 February 2016
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
House of Commons; Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee twentieth report.
Wednesday, 3 February 2016
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords; Trade Union Bill
Thursday, 25 February 2016
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions: Baroness Wheeler | 769 cc400-1 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Baroness Wheeler
92: Clause 14, page 11, line 8, leave out from beginning to...; Baroness Wheeler | 769 cc401-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I speak to the seven amendments in the group and the clause stand part Motion from the ...; Lord Balfe | 769 cc405-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will speak in particular to Amendment 93, which is in my name, but will also make a g...; Lord Kerslake | 769 cc409-411 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendments in this group, particularly those in the name of the noble Lor...; Baroness Burt of Solihull | 769 cc410-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I concur completely with the comments made by the noble Lords, Lord Kerslake and Lord B...; Lord Lea of Crondall | 769 cc412-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, before I come to the specifics of Amendment 94, it is fair to say that these Benches ec...; Lord Tebbit | 769 c413 (Link to this contribution)
Where does the noble Lord get his 20% figure from? What surveys has he done? Why does he think th...; Lord Lea of Crondall | 769 c414 (Link to this contribution)
I have talked to many unions in the public sector, and that is the sort of feedback I get. It is ...; Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe | 769 c414 (Link to this contribution)
I might be able to help the noble Lord, Lord Tebbit. If he checks with the Prison Officers’ Assoc...; Lord Lea of Crondall | 769 cc414-5 (Link to this contribution)
The Government imply, without ever spelling out anybody specifically, that they have support for ...; Lord Cormack | 769 c416 (Link to this contribution)
Does the noble Lord realise that he has now spoken for 18 minutes and we are still waiting for hi...; Lord Lea of Crondall | 769 c416 (Link to this contribution)
With great respect to the noble Lord, Lord Cormack, I think that many of my colleagues will think...; Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 769 cc416-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, perhaps I could be allowed a brief intervention—I was not making a particular point abo...; Lord Deben | 769 c417 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure my noble friend will agree that I could not be characterised in quite the way in which ...; Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 769 cc417-8 (Link to this contribution)
There we are: we have the entire spectrum of the Conservative Party in agreement on this matter. ...; Lord Beecham | 769 cc418-420 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is quite an exceptional pleasure to follow the speeches of two distinguished Members...; Lord Cormack | 769 cc420-1 (Link to this contribution)
It is certainly no cherry orchard, is it, my Lords? I am delighted to support my noble friend Lor...; Baroness Donaghy | 769 cc421-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have three amendments in this group and I give my full support to the amendment of my...; Lord Stoneham of Droxford | 769 cc422-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am fearful of keeping noble Lords from their lunch, but I have several points that ha...; Lord Balfe | 769 c423 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I point out that Baroness Williams, who has just departed from us, continued to pay due...; Lord Stoneham of Droxford | 769 c423 (Link to this contribution)
I think it needs such sources of money at the moment.
Another issue that has not been raise...; Lord Monks | 769 cc423-4 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I can help the Minister to join the consensus on how awful the clause is by stressing one...; Lord Campbell-Savours | 769 c424 (Link to this contribution)
I put to the Minister a question that she might consider before she comes to the Box. She will ha...; Lord Sawyer | 769 cc424-5 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Lords, Lord Balfe and Lord Kerslake, for their contributions and particularly w...; Lord Leigh of Hurley | 769 c425 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I approach this from a slightly different angle. I looked at the Bill for the first tim...; Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 769 c425 (Link to this contribution)
Does my noble friend appreciate that some people on some very low incomes may not have bank accou...; Lord Leigh of Hurley | 769 c426 (Link to this contribution)
I would be very interested to know the number of those people. Clearly, the numbers have changed ...; Lord Cormack | 769 c426 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, but we are concerned about every individual. Even if it is only a few hundred people, surely...; Lord Leigh of Hurley | 769 c426 (Link to this contribution)
Of course, exceptions can be made for a few hundred, if it is a few hundred, as with others. But ...; Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 769 c426 (Link to this contribution)
I am most grateful to my noble friend. I have no idea what the numbers are, but it will be more t...; Lord Leigh of Hurley | 769 c426 (Link to this contribution)
I am not sure the noble Lord knows my particular social circle, but I took the figure of a few hu...; Lord Cormack | 769 c426 (Link to this contribution)
The point I was making was that even if it is only a tiny number, why are we doing this?; Lord Leigh of Hurley | 769 c426 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, I thank the noble Lord—I have taken the point. The point that I was making was that the dire...; Lord Judd | 769 c426 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this has been a fascinating debate, and I have begun to feel a bit sorry for the Minist...; Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 769 c427 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Wheeler, for her clear, comprehensive and relatively s...; Lord Collins of Highbury | 769 c427 (Link to this contribution)
What about Tesco?; Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 769 c427 (Link to this contribution)
I suspect that if it was starting now, rather than 100 years ago, things would be different becau...; Baroness Wheeler | 769 c427 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister said she would be clear and objective. Will she state what evidence she has been giv...; Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 769 c427 (Link to this contribution)
I think we have set out clearly in our impact assessment and elsewhere the way things are going. ...; Lord Collins of Highbury | 769 c427 (Link to this contribution)
I shall give the Minister a simple fact. She talked about Tesco. She was part of a partnership ar...; Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 769 c427 (Link to this contribution)
I think check-off existed for a number of years at Tesco, long before I arrived. We had the partn...; Lord Mendelsohn | 769 c427 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister has been very clear about the notion that there is evidence of the direction of trav...; Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 769 c428 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord is right in saying that the direction of travel is driven by digital change—I am n...; Lord Monks | 769 c428 (Link to this contribution)
I remind the Minister about workplace pensions. They are a very recent auto-enrolment initiative....; Earl of Courtown | 769 c428 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not wish to be discourteous to the Committee in any way, but there have been five ...; Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 769 cc428-9 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my noble friend. We are debating check-off in relation to Clause 4. The Public a...; Lord Mendelsohn | 769 c430 (Link to this contribution)
I am finding difficult the suggestion that there is now some prescription that direct debit is th...; Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 769 c430 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord makes a fair point. Having said that, the growth of direct debit in lots...; Lord Beecham | 769 c430 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister explain why it is deemed necessary to impose a new arrangement on two parties, ...; Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 769 c430 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the difference is that the cost falls on the public sector.; Lord Beecham | 769 c430 (Link to this contribution)
But the premise—the burden of the amendments that we are discussing—is there would be no cost to ...; Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 769 cc430-1 (Link to this contribution)
The answer is that I think the impact assessment says there is a cost of £7.2 million. I was seek...; Lord Cormack | 769 c431 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very sorry to interrupt, as we have had a long debate. I make an appeal to the Min...; Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 769 c431 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble friend for his intervention. I have said from the very beginning that we are li...; Lord Campbell-Savours | 769 c431 (Link to this contribution)
Could the Minister answer this question, which I have great difficulty in understanding? Why is i...; Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 769 c431 (Link to this contribution)
I have already sought to answer this question. Deductions for things like pensions, childcare vou...; Lord Collins of Highbury | 769 c431 (Link to this contribution)
It is a long time ago for me but I remember that part, if not all, of the subscription for craft ...; Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 769 c432 (Link to this contribution)
I am not sure I entirely understand the point. If I may, I will reflect on it.; Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 769 c432 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry—I am irritating my noble friend by intervening. I am just worried about this principle...; Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 769 c432 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my noble friend. I am not making any commitments about government policy in any of these ...; Baroness Wheeler | 769 cc432-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for her response. This has been a powerful, detailed and consensua...
Subjects: Administration Costs Deductions Public sector Trade unions Subscriptions
Legislation: Trade Union Bill 2015-16
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