Adjournment debate on Thursday, 16 October 2014, in the House of Commons, led by Bernard Jenkin. The answering member was Norman Baker.

Police Recorded Crime Statistics

Agreed to on question.

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Type: Parliamentary proceeding
Reference: 586 cc141-176WH
Session: 2014-15
Department: Home Office
Chamber / Committee: Westminster Hall
Related items: Caught red-handed: Why we can't count on police recorded crime statistics. Public Administration Committee thirteenth report with formal minutes.
Tuesday, 1 April 2014
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons; Government Response to the Thirteenth Report from the Public Administration Select Committee, Session 2013–14, on Caught red-handed: Why we can't count on Police Recorded Crime statistics
Friday, 11 July 2014
Command papers
House of Lords
House of Commons; Caught red-handed: why we can't count on Police Recorded Crime statistics: UK Statistics Authority response to the Committee's thirteenth report of session 2013-14. Public Administration Committee fourth special report.
Wednesday, 10 September 2014
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions: Bernard Jenkin | 586 cc141-2WH (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for the opportunity to debate the report of the Select Committee on Public Administ...; Cheryl Gillan | 586 c142WH (Link to this contribution)
Although I am now a proud member of the Public Administration Committee, I was not a member when ...; Bernard Jenkin | 586 cc142-4WH (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend is absolutely right. It is worth emphasising that under the Public Interest ...; Lindsay Roy | 586 c144WH (Link to this contribution)
I congratulate the Chairman of the Public Administration Committee on his tremendous work in taki...; Bernard Jenkin | 586 c144WH (Link to this contribution)
It simply means that the raw data, on the basis of which so many decisions about the allocation o...; Cheryl Gillan | 586 c144WH (Link to this contribution)
When looking at the Government response to the report, I was delighted to see that the Home Secre...; Bernard Jenkin | 586 cc144-6WH (Link to this contribution)
Our inquiry found that, for example, the Mayor of London, Boris Johnson, through the Mayor’s Offi...; Kelvin Hopkins | 586 c146WH (Link to this contribution)
I agree with everything the hon. Gentleman has said so far in his excellent speech. Given what he...; Bernard Jenkin | 586 c147WH (Link to this contribution)
I hear what the hon. Gentleman, who is also a member of the Select Committee and took part in our...; Lindsay Roy | 586 c148WH (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman believe, as I do, that things have to go beyond audit to a more qualitati...; Bernard Jenkin | 586 c148WH (Link to this contribution)
I completely agree with the hon. Gentleman, but the importance of audit is that it provides the d...; Nicholas Brown | 586 cc148-9WH (Link to this contribution)
It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Bayley, in a reversal of roles, with you ke...; Cheryl Gillan | 586 c149WH (Link to this contribution)
One recommendation in the report was that the Home Affairs Committee hold an inquiry into the tre...; Nicholas Brown | 586 c149WH (Link to this contribution)
I understand the recommendation. It is indeed a strong one and one that I support, but it is no l...; Andrew Turner | 586 c149WH (Link to this contribution)
Does the right hon. Gentleman agree that one problem with regard to sex offences, and particularl...; Nicholas Brown | 586 c150WH (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman’s question is about minors. If a minor complains of an offence of that kind, o...; Bernard Jenkin | 586 c150WH (Link to this contribution)
To make a plea of mitigation in defence of the police, there are occasions when an offence is rep...; Nicholas Brown | 586 cc150-1WH (Link to this contribution)
I have made no argument against the use of discretion. My argument is against not treating such m...; Cheryl Gillan | 586 cc151-2WH (Link to this contribution)
I will make only a short contribution. I was not a member of the Committee when it carried out it...; Kelvin Hopkins | 586 cc152-4WH (Link to this contribution)
It is a pleasure, Mr Bayley, to serve under your chairmanship this afternoon. I never thought you...; Jack Dromey | 586 cc154-5WH (Link to this contribution)
It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Bayley. I welcome the decision to make time...; Bernard Jenkin | 586 c155WH (Link to this contribution)
We were briefed yesterday by the chief constable of Essex, and many of my colleagues were astonis...; Jack Dromey | 586 cc155-7WH (Link to this contribution)
I totally agree with the Chair of the Select Committee. Historically, as my hon. Friend the Membe...; Kelvin Hopkins | 586 c157WH (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is absolutely right about shop workers, having visited the USDAW meeting the other...; Jack Dromey | 586 c157WH (Link to this contribution)
I absolutely agree. It is important that people have confidence that if they report an assault, t...; Kelvin Hopkins | 586 c158WH (Link to this contribution)
I accept entirely what my hon. Friend says. Does he agree that even abusive language can be terri...; Jack Dromey | 586 c158WH (Link to this contribution)
Again, my hon. Friend is absolutely right. I want to make a general comment about the under-repor...; Bernard Jenkin | 586 c158WH (Link to this contribution)
We all share the hon. Gentleman’s concern about the pressure on resources. However, the chief of ...; Jack Dromey | 586 cc158-9WH (Link to this contribution)
The Chair of the Select Committee makes an interesting point. It is true that the police have cop...; Andrew Turner | 586 c159WH (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman accept that one of the benefits on the Isle of Wight is that police offic...; Jack Dromey | 586 cc159-160WH (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman makes a powerful point, and I will say two things in response. First, it was R...; Andrew Turner | 586 c160WH (Link to this contribution)
rose—; Hugh Bayley | 586 c160WH (Link to this contribution)
Order. Before the hon. Gentleman intervenes, I remind Members that this debate is about the recor...; Jack Dromey | 586 c160WH (Link to this contribution)
That brings me neatly to my concluding remarks. Frankly, there is a problem with the stats, which...; Norman Baker | 586 cc160-1WH (Link to this contribution)
I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Harwich and North Essex (Mr Jenkin) on introducing t...; Bernard Jenkin | 586 c161WH (Link to this contribution)
I am most grateful to my right hon. Friend for giving way, but I must insist on accuracy on one p...; Norman Baker | 586 cc162-4WH (Link to this contribution)
I have no wish to detract from the Committee’s work, which the Government welcomes. Anything that...; Kelvin Hopkins | 586 c164WH (Link to this contribution)
The Minister says that police forces should just cut crime, but I think that all Members who have...; Norman Baker | 586 c164WH (Link to this contribution)
I entirely agree with that comment; in fact, we are doing that. I will pick up on individual comm...; Cheryl Gillan | 586 c164WH (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for the information that approximately a third of our PCCs have unf...; Norman Baker | 586 c164WH (Link to this contribution)
As my right hon. Friend will know, Ministers of course regularly meet not only chief constables b...; Bernard Jenkin | 586 c164WH (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend the Minister is making a good fist of responding to the debate, but are ther...; Norman Baker | 586 cc164-6WH (Link to this contribution)
It is certainly right for PCCs to—how can I put it?—set the background music for their area. For ...; Lindsay Roy | 586 c166WH (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister explain what steps have been taken to minimise the need for whistleblowing?
...; Norman Baker | 586 c166WH (Link to this contribution)
That is a very wide question, which goes beyond the reporting of crime statistics, but, as we hav...; Andrew Turner | 586 c166WH (Link to this contribution)
In the example mentioned by my hon. Friend the Member for Harwich and North Essex (Mr Jenkin), wh...; Norman Baker | 586 c166WH (Link to this contribution)
I am not in a position to go into the case of PC James Patrick in great detail, and I hope Member...; Bernard Jenkin | 586 c166WH (Link to this contribution)
The Minister talks about access to the IPCC, and I am glad he has clarified that. PC Patrick clea...; Norman Baker | 586 cc167-9WH (Link to this contribution)
I know the Chairman of the Committee feels strongly about this matter; indeed, it was central to ...; Kelvin Hopkins | 586 c168WH (Link to this contribution)
Does the Minister agree that if there were more women in senior positions in the police and the j...; Norman Baker | 586 cc168-170WH (Link to this contribution)
It is dangerous to assume that the only way to change the culture is to have women in key positio...; Bernard Jenkin | 586 c170WH (Link to this contribution)
There has been a substantial reduction in the sample size of the crime survey, and it does not ca...; Norman Baker | 586 cc170-1WH (Link to this contribution)
I do not pretend that the crime survey is perfect, but I think calling it far from ideal is over-...; Jack Dromey | 586 c171WH (Link to this contribution)
The Minister is selectively taking one area of fraud and online crime. It is true that there has ...; Norman Baker | 586 cc171-2WH (Link to this contribution)
No other national crime survey that I am aware of, including that of the USA, covers fraud as wel...; Bernard Jenkin | 586 c172WH (Link to this contribution)
I welcome you to the Chair, Mr Gray. It is a pleasure to conclude this debate under your chairman...; Nicholas Brown | 586 c172WH (Link to this contribution)
Yes, the hon. Gentleman did catch me correctly.; Bernard Jenkin | 586 cc172-5WH (Link to this contribution)
I welcome the right hon. Gentleman’s courage in breaking the rules, as all ex-Chief Whips do; the...; James Gray | 586 c175WH (Link to this contribution)
Order.; Bernard Jenkin | 586 c176WH (Link to this contribution)
Finally, the Minister mentioned the crime survey for England and Wales. We may return to that, al...
Subjects: Disclosure of information Codes of practice Accountability Fraud Ethics HM Inspectorate of Constabulary Rape Metropolitan Police Police Federation of England and Wales Statistics Standards Sexual offences Detection rates Leadership Police and crime commissioners
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Police Recorded Crime Statistics

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