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Queen's speech debate on Tuesday, 13 November 2007, in the House of Commons, led by Lord Lansley. The answering member was Baroness Primarolo.

Health and Education Debate on the Address

Queen's speech debate (fifth day) on health and education. Amendment to loyal address negatived on division (211 to 311).

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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
467 c552-642 
Session
2007-08
Department
Department of Health
Department for Education and Skills
Procedure
Addresses to the Crown
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Proceeding contributions
Speaker | 467 c582 (Link to this contribution) I must remind the House that Mr. Speaker has placed a 10-minute limit on Back-Bench speeches, which ...
Speaker | 467 c606 (Link to this contribution) Order. Before I call the next speaker, may I say to the House that I will allow the next speaker 10 ...
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Ed Balls | 467 c574 (Link to this contribution) I conferred with my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Health and on the basis of his know...
Norman Lamb | 467 c577 (Link to this contribution) I agree, and I know that that was in the NHS plan. Commitments to make all sorts of changes are of a...
Lord Lansley | 467 c577 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman recall, as I do, that the NHS plan in 2000 included the intention that by 20...
Norman Lamb | 467 c575-7 (Link to this contribution) I suspect that I am not alone in having lost the will to live after that performance. I suspect that...
Speaker | 467 c574 (Link to this contribution) Order. I ask once again for order from those on both Front Benches.
Ed Balls | 467 c574 (Link to this contribution) The reason there are so many points of order and interventions is that Opposition Members are trying...
Speaker | 467 c574 (Link to this contribution) Order. I have asked that the debate move on. A great many Back Benchers wish to contribute to the de...
Sandra Gidley | 467 c568 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way?
Ed Balls | 467 c568-9 (Link to this contribution) No. I said that I would not take any more interventions. Through the reforms in the Bill and our wo...
Ian Taylor | 467 c568 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State is being very generous in taking interventions. May I urge him to go further ...
Ed Balls | 467 c568 (Link to this contribution) Had the hon. Gentleman been present at Education questions yesterday, he would have heard my hon. Fr...
Ed Balls | 467 c568 (Link to this contribution) I shall take one more intervention.
Speaker | 467 c570 (Link to this contribution) Order. Is the hon. Member for Surrey Heath seeking to intervene?
Ed Balls | 467 c570 (Link to this contribution) Opposition Members do not want to hear what the shadow Chancellor said two years ago. They do not wa...
Speaker | 467 c569 (Link to this contribution) Order. There are far too many private conversations going on in the Chamber.
Lord Gove | 467 c570 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State made a serious accusation, saying that I believe in excellence for a few. [In...
Speaker | 467 c570 (Link to this contribution) Order. I need to hear this intervention.
Lord Gove | 467 c570-1 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. The Government clearly are not interested in excellence for everyon...
Ed Balls | 467 c571 (Link to this contribution) It is not for the hon. Gentleman to make that decision. He made allegations to me—[Interruption.]
Lord Gove | 467 c570 (Link to this contribution) I am fascinated by the Secretary of State's tour d'horizon. He has attributed to me—on, I think, thr...
Ed Balls | 467 c570 (Link to this contribution) Of course I will not, but I will read the hon. Gentleman what he said:"““Diplomas were supposed to b...
Ed Balls | 467 c571 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman made allegations about what I supposedly did, or did not, do. He regularly appear...
Speaker | 467 c571 (Link to this contribution) Order. I wish to hear the response to the intervention.
Ed Balls | 467 c571 (Link to this contribution) No, I will not give way. [Interruption.] Well, I am happy to do so, but if the hon. Gentleman is goi...
Speaker | 467 c571 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Surrey Heath (Michael Gove) took issue with what the Secretary of State said. I ...
Ed Balls | 467 c572 (Link to this contribution) It is very clear, Madam Deputy Speaker: the Conservatives stand for two tiers of educational opportu...
Graham Stuart | 467 c571 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. The Secretary of State made an allegation, which he has n...
Ed Balls | 467 c572 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to give way to the hon. Gentleman as many times as he wants.
Speaker | 467 c572 (Link to this contribution) Order. I have listened—or at least, attempted to listen, given the numerous conversations on both Fr...
Ed Balls | 467 c572 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Surrey Heath is upset, because I read out a very clear statement by the shadow C...
Ed Balls | 467 c572-3 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to have a discussion with the hon. Gentleman about false allegations. This morning, he cl...
Speaker | 467 c572 (Link to this contribution) Order. May I suggest that we consider the use of temperate language on all sides, and that we contin...
Lord Lansley | 467 c573 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. May I ask through the Chair that the Secretary of State w...
Speaker | 467 c573 (Link to this contribution) I am not in a position to confirm or deny that, but the hon. Gentleman has made his point, and every...
Speaker | 467 c573 (Link to this contribution) Order. Once again, I must bring the House to order.
Lord McLoughlin | 467 c574 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. The Secretary of State is in grave danger of misleading t...
Speaker | 467 c574 (Link to this contribution) Order. A point of order is being made, and I want to hear what the right hon. Gentleman is saying.
Speaker | 467 c574 (Link to this contribution) Order. I appreciate what the right hon. Member for West Derbyshire (Mr. McLoughlin) said. It is now ...
Ed Balls | 467 c562 (Link to this contribution) The delivery unit looks across all Government spending, Department by Department. I have a six-month...
Lord Robathan | 467 c562-3 (Link to this contribution) Can I take the Secretary of State back not to 1918 but to 1997, when the Labour party pledged that f...
Ed Balls | 467 c561 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is quite wrong because I have not asked the Prime Minister's Policy Unit to look ...
Ed Balls | 467 c563 (Link to this contribution) Leicestershire, over the next three years, will have a 13.4 per cent. increase in spending, which ma...
Gordon Marsden | 467 c563 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is stating clearly one of the central points of the Government's case, which is...
Ed Balls | 467 c563 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman looks at the detail of the figures that we published yesterday, he will see th...
David Laws | 467 c561 (Link to this contribution) Is the Secretary of State really telling us that he asked the Downing street Policy Unit to look int...
Ed Balls | 467 c561 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to answer that question. There are no deficiencies in the academies programme that led to...
Lord Lansley | 467 c557 (Link to this contribution) Another thing that people did not find before 1997 was their local hospital's maternity services dis...
Lord Lansley | 467 c557 (Link to this contribution) Frankly it is an outrage, and the right hon. Lady, having been a Minister for four months, could at ...
David Tredinnick | 467 c557 (Link to this contribution) I am concerned that my hon. Friend might have forgotten the fact that people throughout the country ...
Lord Lansley | 467 c557-60 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend. I have not forgotten about that—far from it. Indeed, the Government...
Ed Balls | 467 c560-1 (Link to this contribution) Last week's Queen's Speech set out our programme to respond to the rising aspirations of the British...
Graham Stuart | 467 c561 (Link to this contribution) Does the Secretary of State accept that there is a sexual health epidemic in this country at the mom...
Ed Balls | 467 c561 (Link to this contribution) I do not accept that there is such an epidemic, but it is important to do all we can to ensure that ...
David Laws | 467 c561 (Link to this contribution) May I take the Secretary of State back to his home turf and ask him what deficiencies in the academi...
Lord Deben | 467 c556-7 (Link to this contribution) Before my hon. Friend allows the hon. Member for High Peak to get away with his comment, does he agr...
Ed Balls | 467 c568 (Link to this contribution) As my hon. Friend knows, we are integrating for 14 to 19-year-olds. We are involving employers in ou...
Ed Balls | 467 c567 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right. We have six years between now and 2013 to make the progress requ...
Rob Marris | 467 c567 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the legislation regarding staying on until 18, but the Government have addressed only part...
Ed Balls | 467 c566-7 (Link to this contribution) I agree that we need to think hard. However, I do not think that those young people should settle fo...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 467 c566 (Link to this contribution) Does the Secretary of State accept that no fair-minded person can possibly disagree with the objecti...
Ed Balls | 467 c566 (Link to this contribution) I commend the hon. Gentleman for his work on this subject. In fact, I am pleased that he is carrying...
John Bercow | 467 c566 (Link to this contribution) What the right hon. Gentleman says about opportunities for people in custody is of the greatest impo...
Ed Balls | 467 c565-6 (Link to this contribution) It is important that apprenticeships lead to a qualification. I was talking about apprenticeships fo...
David Chaytor | 467 c565 (Link to this contribution) Before we leave the question of 14 to 19-year-olds and the welcome increase in the participation rat...
Ed Balls | 467 c565 (Link to this contribution) The Minister for Schools and Learners, who is travelling to Canada, texted me at 5 am Canadian time ...
Barry Sheerman | 467 c565 (Link to this contribution) What my right hon. Friend said to dispel the myth that we will keep children in school until they ar...
Graham Stuart | 467 c564 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way?
Graham Stuart | 467 c564 (Link to this contribution) I just wish to clarify the point that the Secretary of State made about compulsory education and tra...
Ed Balls | 467 c564-5 (Link to this contribution) If a young person is in full-time education or college, it is normally 16 hours a week. If a young p...
Ed Balls | 467 c564 (Link to this contribution) I have given way once already to the hon. Gentleman. Young people who want to combine continued edu...
Graham Stuart | 467 c564 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way?
Lord Lansley | 467 c556 (Link to this contribution) No, I will not give way again. If, in the change that has occurred since 1997, the Government had un...
Tom Levitt | 467 c556 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Lord Lansley | 467 c555-6 (Link to this contribution) I am not pretending that before 1997 the national health service did not have problems. Equally, how...
Tom Levitt | 467 c555 (Link to this contribution) Clearly, if there had been a plethora of NHS legislation, the hon. Gentleman would have criticised t...
Lord Lansley | 467 c554-5 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that my hon. Friend the Member for Surrey Heath will be able to elaborate on that later. A...
Dari Taylor | 467 c553-4 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman disputing the facts that have been produced by Stockton borough council statin...
Lord Lansley | 467 c552-3 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, as an amendment to the Address, at the end of the Question to add:"'but regret the ab...
Speaker | 467 c552 (Link to this contribution) The Speaker has selected the amendment in the name of the Leader of the Opposition.
Alan Johnson | 467 c634-6 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the hon. Member for Esher and Walton on a deeply interesting contribution. He made th...
Ian Taylor | 467 c634 (Link to this contribution) I accept everything that the Secretary of State said about ambition, but as part of that ambition it...
Alan Johnson | 467 c633-4 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman was not a Member of Parliament at the time. The explicit policy of the Conservati...
Alan Johnson | 467 c637-8 (Link to this contribution) The Bill will ensure that every youngster who is properly qualified and wants to do an apprenticeshi...
Rob Marris | 467 c636-7 (Link to this contribution) I heard my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Children, Schools and Families, who opened t...
Alan Johnson | 467 c636 (Link to this contribution) We will provide clarification, not through the Bill but through other initiatives that we are taking...
Dari Taylor | 467 c636 (Link to this contribution) On the human fertilisation and embryology Bill, will my right hon. Friend ensure that the House supp...
Alan Johnson | 467 c632-3 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the right hon. and learned Gentleman. The point is, as he said in his speech, that he b...
Lord Lansley | 467 c633 (Link to this contribution) To avoid people being misled, let me say that our policy is clear: we accept the current payment by ...
Alan Johnson | 467 c633 (Link to this contribution) I was just about right on that, then. The biggest effect—the single biggest advantage—of the single ...
Lord Gove | 467 c627-31 (Link to this contribution) We have had an excellent debate today—it was lively and vigorous, not least thanks to the Secretary ...
Lynda Waltho | 467 c625-7 (Link to this contribution) I rise to speak in favour of the Loyal Address and against the Opposition amendment. I want to exam...
Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 467 c632 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Secretary of State for trying to establish consensus, although the consensus was not tho...
Alan Johnson | 467 c631-2 (Link to this contribution) This has been a rambunctious debate and, in view of some of the misunderstandings at its beginning a...
David Burrowes | 467 c619-22 (Link to this contribution) I commend the amendment, and in particular the reference to"““the absence of measures to improve pub...
Brooks Newmark | 467 c623-5 (Link to this contribution) The Prime Minister's first hundred days can be summed up with a modified form of an old wedding prov...
Virendra Sharma | 467 c622-3 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in this important debate. I will confine my remarks to th...
Richard Taylor | 467 c617-8 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for that point; it allows me to say that these are not anecdotes but actu...
Roberta Blackman-Woods | 467 c618-9 (Link to this contribution) I thank and pay tribute to my hon. Friend the Member for Gateshead, East and Washington, West (Mrs. ...
Richard Taylor | 467 c616-7 (Link to this contribution) Quality of care and safety are at the heart of the Health and Social Care Bill, and I shall spend my...
Ian Gibson | 467 c617 (Link to this contribution) Are those anecdotes or do they involve real figures?
Sharon Hodgson | 467 c614-6 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to talk about education and health in our debate on the Gracious Speech. It seems to me...
Sammy Wilson | 467 c612-4 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to take part in this debate. I say that with some caution, because I know that some of ...
David Chaytor | 467 c611-2 (Link to this contribution) I am afraid that I will not, because I do not think it is fair to my colleagues. I tabled a questio...
John Pugh | 467 c611 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
David Chaytor | 467 c610-1 (Link to this contribution) I shall speak against the amendment. Earlier, the shadow Secretary of State referred to statistics t...
Annette Brooke | 467 c609-10 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes some very relevant points, and if time permitted I would pursue that line o...
Andrew Smith | 467 c582 (Link to this contribution) I would like to concentrate my remarks on the education and skills Bill, and in particular the fulfi...
Andrew Smith | 467 c582-3 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman says that that is absolutely right. The difference is that I see the investment a...
Norman Lamb | 467 c579-80 (Link to this contribution) I will not give way at the moment. It is also a disgrace that people with mental health problems ar...
John Pugh | 467 c580 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend want to remark on the fact that there is only a 1 per cent. increase in the loca...
Norman Lamb | 467 c580-2 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely. One gets from local authorities the clear impression that they have a crisis in the fund...
Graham Stuart | 467 c583 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman repeated the mantra, which no doubt might have some political resonance and...
Andrew Smith | 467 c583 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman and his colleagues wish to will the ends and say that they want to achieve tho...
John Bercow | 467 c583 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Charles Walker | 467 c587 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. and learned Friend agree that GPs are probably in the best position to know what ...
Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 467 c587-8 (Link to this contribution) I do. The best general practices in this country are among the best features of the NHS. I would arg...
Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 467 c586-7 (Link to this contribution) The Prime Minister has constantly let it be understood that he was far less committed than Tony Blai...
Andrew Smith | 467 c584-5 (Link to this contribution) It certainly is, and my hon. Friend is quite right. Not only do young people benefit from the Skill ...
Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 467 c585-6 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased that the Secretary of State for Health is speaking second, even if it is a result of th...
Andrew Smith | 467 c583-4 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, but as the hon. Gentleman knows, time is very limited and I have to press on. Meeting t...
Dari Taylor | 467 c584 (Link to this contribution) Would my right hon. Friend stress, before he leaves the matter of Skill Force, what many in the teac...
John Bercow | 467 c588 (Link to this contribution) Is there not a particular difficulty when an organisation involved in the commissioning process has ...
Norman Lamb | 467 c577 (Link to this contribution) I do not care what the GPs think about the situation or whether it is of concern to them—[Interrupti...
Norman Lamb | 467 c578 (Link to this contribution) I have no idea whether the NHS Confederation is culpable, but ultimately the Government are in charg...
Howard Stoate | 467 c578 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is being generous in giving way. The NHS Confederation should be negotiating; if ...
Norman Lamb | 467 c577-8 (Link to this contribution) I shall not give way now, although I shall in a moment. Let me finish my point about the GP contract...
Howard Stoate | 467 c578 (Link to this contribution) I am not bemused about that, but about the fact that the hon. Gentleman is talking about the NHS Con...
Norman Lamb | 467 c578-9 (Link to this contribution) No, I shall not give way. The hon. Member for Dartford seems to abdicate completely from the Governm...
Norman Lamb | 467 c578 (Link to this contribution) I do not know what we have achieved through these interventions.
David Burrowes | 467 c599 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend share my concern that the Minister's response to the Science and Technology Comm...
Nadine Dorries | 467 c599 (Link to this contribution) That is absolutely true: the response was that it does not matter whether a foetus can feel pain, be...
Ian Gibson | 467 c599 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady says that the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill is important, but there is nothi...
Nadine Dorries | 467 c599-600 (Link to this contribution) All those issues are important and will be debated, but the Clerks have taken a ruling that amendmen...
Graham Stuart | 467 c604 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, for correcting me on the language. I obviously need to stu...
Speaker | 467 c604 (Link to this contribution) Order. The hon. Gentleman has not remembered what Mr. Speaker ruled on these matters. The hon. Gentl...
Graham Stuart | 467 c602-3 (Link to this contribution) It is a great privilege and pleasure to take part in this Queen's Speech debate—I am not sure whethe...
Nia Griffith | 467 c601-2 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the Government's commitment in the Gracious Speech to ensuring that all young people have ...
Graham Stuart | 467 c605 (Link to this contribution) From Reform. Estimates from a Government report suggest that 10,000 lives are lost each year because...
Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 467 c605 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that after 15 years of economic growth and 10 years of this Government, it...
Graham Stuart | 467 c604-5 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful again, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I apologise for forcing you to come to your feet again. The...
Speaker | 467 c604 (Link to this contribution) Order. On pain of taking the hon. Gentleman's time, I point out for the benefit of the House as a wh...
David Burrowes | 467 c609 (Link to this contribution) I commend the hon. Lady for highlighting the lack of residential therapeutic places. Is not the same...
Annette Brooke | 467 c608-9 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to be able to speak in this debate on health and education because I wish to raise spec...
Doug Henderson | 467 c606-8 (Link to this contribution) I will try to speak for only seven minutes as well, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I do not usually seek to ca...
Graham Stuart | 467 c605-6 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes an excellent point. One must couple that scandal with the waste of resources an...
Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 467 c588 (Link to this contribution) It is entirely a problem. The moment a keen, go-ahead GP consortium—I have one in my constituency, a...
Barry Sheerman | 467 c588-9 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to say that this is my first speech as the new Chairman of the Select Committee on Chil...
Barry Sheerman | 467 c589 (Link to this contribution) I know that it happened in the past with the Liberal Democrats, but to my knowledge the latest devel...
Barry Sheerman | 467 c589-90 (Link to this contribution) I bring the matter to the House because concern has been expressed on an all-party basis that what h...
Mike Penning | 467 c589 (Link to this contribution) What the hon. Gentleman describes has happened before, on the Select Committee on Health. It worked ...
Barry Sheerman | 467 c591 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman knows that I agree with much of what he says on these matters. His suggestion has...
Barry Sheerman | 467 c591-2 (Link to this contribution) I certainly agree with some of that, and I have an ongoing dialogue with the vice-chancellors concer...
Ian Taylor | 467 c592-3 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I will of course obey your stricture, much as I would otherwise have ...
Ian Gibson | 467 c594 (Link to this contribution) Chemistry and physics are old world subjects, and there is so much contact now between different sci...
Eric Illsley | 467 c595-6 (Link to this contribution) Let me say at the outset, Mr. Deputy Speaker, that I am speaking in favour of the Loyal Address and ...
Evan Harris | 467 c594 (Link to this contribution) I support the hon. Gentleman's point about the importance of the so-called hard sciences of physics ...
Ian Taylor | 467 c594 (Link to this contribution) With great respect to the hon. Gentleman—I almost addressed him as my hon. Friend, because we have w...
Nadine Dorries | 467 c597-9 (Link to this contribution) The Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill, under which amendments could be made to the 1990 aborti...
Brooks Newmark | 467 c596 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes an excellent point about NEETs. Is he aware that the Government have spent ...
Ed Balls | 467 c570 (Link to this contribution) On education. It is the Conservatives' deeply held belief, which the hon. Gentleman now tells us he ...
Dari Taylor | 467 c567 (Link to this contribution) The Bill is warmly welcomed on the Tees. We have serious problems attracting sufficient skilled indi...
Ian Gibson | 467 c591 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend mentioned the LSE. Does he believe that Oxford and Cambridge are traditionally as fai...
Speaker | 467 c592 (Link to this contribution) Order. I hope that hon. Members do not need reminding, but it might help if I point out that, as we ...
Ed Balls | 467 c563-4 (Link to this contribution) I would not be so pessimistic. I was disappointed to discover that Opposition Members oppose the ref...
John Bercow | 467 c590-1 (Link to this contribution) I acknowledge the iniquity that the hon. Gentleman describes. The Secretary of State focused on a th...
Ian Taylor | 467 c594-5 (Link to this contribution) Putting forensic science with music sounds interesting. I entirely agree with the hon. Gentleman. T...
Eric Illsley | 467 c596-7 (Link to this contribution) Yes. That is an aspect that I am about to deal with. My constituency has the highest number of peopl...
Speaker | 467 c574 (Link to this contribution) Order. May we please have a calming down of the debate and the Chamber? I call Mr. Norman Lamb.
Ed Balls | 467 c573 (Link to this contribution) I have never attended a debate where the Opposition have tried so many parliamentary techniques to t...
Ed Balls | 467 c573 (Link to this contribution) It is for the Opposition to decide whether they want separate debates on health and on education, an...
Howard Stoate | 467 c577 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that the hon. Gentleman is aware that the NHS Confederation actually negotiated the GP con...
Lord Gove | 467 c572 (Link to this contribution) May I give the Secretary of State some advice? When in a hole, stop digging. He asserted that we bel...
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Health Hospitals Education NHS Patients MRSA Waiting lists Standards Schools Training Young people School leaving Cleaning services Accident and emergency departments
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