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Queen's speech debate on Thursday, 16 November 2006, in the House of Commons, led by Patricia Hewitt. The answering member was Lord Lansley.

Health and Education Debate on the Address

Queen's speech debate (second day) on health and education.

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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
453 c145-251 
Session
2006-07
Department
Department of Health
Department for Education and Skills
Procedure
Addresses to the Crown
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Proceeding contributions
Patricia Hewitt | 453 c148 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend refers to the work of community first responders, who do a wonderful job in Staffords...
Patricia Hewitt | 453 c147 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. By the end of 2008, we will have cut waiting times from 18 months for an ope...
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David Kidney | 453 c147-8 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend help me to resolve an impasse in Staffordshire? The health authority has t...
Patricia Hewitt | 453 c147 (Link to this contribution) Let me make a little more progress. We have been discussing waiting lists. We have cut the waiting ...
Lord Lansley | 453 c147 (Link to this contribution) Before the Secretary of State gets too carried away discussing waiting list comparisons with her hon...
Patricia Hewitt | 453 c147 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure what point the hon. Gentleman is trying to make. The latest figures—hospital by hospit...
Ann Coffey | 453 c146 (Link to this contribution) The extra investment in the local health economy in Stockport has meant that my constituents are wai...
Patricia Hewitt | 453 c146 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right on both points. Medical technology now enables hospitals to work in complete...
Lord Robathan | 453 c146 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Lady and I share the same general hospitals in Leicester. Two days ago, I spoke to a ...
Patricia Hewitt | 453 c146 (Link to this contribution) I am not aware of the circumstances behind that case, but I am sure that the hon. Gentleman has take...
Patricia Hewitt | 453 c145-6 (Link to this contribution) It is a great pleasure to open today’s debate on health and education. A few weeks ago, my right ho...
David Tredinnick | 453 c146 (Link to this contribution) That may be the case for cancer services, but is the right hon. Lady aware that since the changes to...
Patricia Hewitt | 453 c146 (Link to this contribution) I will of course ensure that the hon. Gentleman and his colleagues are seen by me or by one of my mi...
Patricia Hewitt | 453 c150 (Link to this contribution) No I shall not, I should like to make some progress. The mental health Bill that was announced in t...
Simon Burns | 453 c150 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way?
Tim Loughton | 453 c149-50 (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether the Secretary of State will qualify those figures about the share of spending in th...
Patricia Hewitt | 453 c151 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes an important point and I am sure that her local PCT will take note of that. My...
Phyllis Starkey | 453 c151 (Link to this contribution) On providing mental health care in the community so that people in crisis do not have to be admitted...
Patricia Hewitt | 453 c150 (Link to this contribution) I know that the hon. Gentleman feels strongly about such issues and his point is important. That is ...
Simon Burns | 453 c150 (Link to this contribution) Notwithstanding the importance of funding and the transformation or otherwise of services, there is ...
Chris Mullin | 453 c149 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is right to draw attention to the significant achievements in the health servic...
Patricia Hewitt | 453 c149 (Link to this contribution) In terms of the changes to primary care trusts and strategic health authorities over the past year, ...
Patricia Hewitt | 453 c148 (Link to this contribution) I am somewhat flabbergasted by the hon. Gentleman’s point. I am certainly aware of the overspending ...
Mark Pritchard | 453 c148 (Link to this contribution) Is the Secretary of State aware of discussions between Telford and Wrekin borough council, the Shrop...
Patricia Hewitt | 453 c148 (Link to this contribution) Before I give way again, I should like to make a little more progress. We have been discussing the ...
Steve Webb | 453 c149 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful, as my remarks apply to what the Secretary of State has just said. Is she not in dange...
Patricia Hewitt | 453 c148 (Link to this contribution) I shall give way to the hon. Member for Northavon (Steve Webb) on waiting times, and then I shall gi...
Patricia Hewitt | 453 c149 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right about the number of people who are still waiting too long for...
Tony Baldry | 453 c151 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way?
Patricia Hewitt | 453 c151-2 (Link to this contribution) No, I have been generous in giving way and I am going to make some more progress. It is extraordina...
Patricia Hewitt | 453 c151 (Link to this contribution) I have not had an opportunity yet to discuss that with my colleagues. I had better not anticipate th...
Lord Lansley | 453 c153-4 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for this opportunity to open for my party the day of the debate on the Address that is...
Lord Bellingham | 453 c154 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has touched on the subject of deficits, but is he aware that the new Norfolk and Norw...
Mike Penning | 453 c152 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way?
Patricia Hewitt | 453 c152-3 (Link to this contribution) No, I am going to make some more progress. As I said, I have been generous in giving way. In our d...
Nicholas Winterton | 453 c154 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for giving way. I am sad that the Secretary of State did not give way to me, ...
Lord Lansley | 453 c154 (Link to this contribution) Yes, I understand exactly the point that my hon. Friend makes. It is in his and my region—the east o...
Paddy Tipping | 453 c155 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman stand by his claim that 20,000 people currently working in the NHS are going...
Lord Lansley | 453 c155-6 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is misrepresenting what I have said—and, indeed, what NHS employers and the Royal...
Andy Burnham | 453 c156 (Link to this contribution) If I understand the hon. Gentleman correctly, he is now saying that the figures in his party’s campa...
Lord Lansley | 453 c156 (Link to this contribution) No, I will not withdraw them, because they accurately reflect what has been said inside the NHS. The...
Daniel Kawczynski | 453 c156 (Link to this contribution) In reply to my hon. Friend the Member for The Wrekin (Mark Pritchard), the Secretary of State said t...
Lord Lansley | 453 c157 (Link to this contribution) I shall give way to my hon. Friend the Member for Upminster (Angela Watkinson), and then I really mu...
Angela Watkinson | 453 c157 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend will appreciate that Havering PCT is efficient and well run, but that its budget has ...
Lord Lansley | 453 c154-5 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a very interesting point. In itself, payment by results is not a problem; indee...
Lord Lansley | 453 c157 (Link to this contribution) I understand the point that my hon. Friend makes. London PCTs top-sliced not just once but twice, in...
Steve Webb | 453 c172 (Link to this contribution) I cannot let the hon. Gentleman get away with that. Even with the best will in the world, with the b...
Lord Lansley | 453 c172 (Link to this contribution) To be precise, I have not said that I would make such drugs available if I were Secretary of State. ...
Steve Webb | 453 c171-2 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend cites a pertinent example. If one puts something in place, but is then faced with a s...
Baroness Teather | 453 c171 (Link to this contribution) My PCT is one such body that has been top-sliced several times. I went to the opening of a new commu...
Steve Webb | 453 c173 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure that I understand the hon. Gentleman’s argument. He has given people the impression th...
Lord Lansley | 453 c172-3 (Link to this contribution) The answer is that one has to give responsibility for appraisal of drugs to an independent body and ...
Steve Webb | 453 c172 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman nods. What he is saying is that if we—the electorate—vote Conservative, we will g...
Steve Webb | 453 c173-5 (Link to this contribution) I do. The record will show that when an early-day motion is tabled that states ““This House disagree...
Andy Burnham | 453 c173 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is developing an interesting argument. Does he, like me, find it interesting that...
Baroness Teather | 453 c175 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that part of the problem is that, in an effort to make cost savings, many ...
Steve Webb | 453 c175-6 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right, and that is another reason why budget pooling, and greater co-or...
Helen Jones | 453 c177-80 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to contribute to this debate on the Queen’s Speech, which continues much of the work th...
Steve Webb | 453 c176-7 (Link to this contribution) Well, DNA has been mentioned, but such tests are not carried out. What reassurances does a donor hav...
Helen Jones | 453 c180-1 (Link to this contribution) Indeed. We must stop weighting the system against action by local authorities. If there is to be rea...
Helen Jones | 453 c181-3 (Link to this contribution) There are numerous causes. There are huge changes in our society, for example. There are the values ...
Nick Gibb | 453 c181 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is making a wonderful speech, to which I, like other hon. Members, am listening with g...
Michael Fallon | 453 c183-8 (Link to this contribution) I remind the House of my interests recorded in the Register of Members’ Interests. I congratulate t...
Lord Lansley | 453 c157-8 (Link to this contribution) I have always made it clear that indiscriminate top-slicing is highly undesirable. The Government ar...
Steve Webb | 453 c157 (Link to this contribution) I want to be clear about whether the hon. Gentleman is for or against using top-slicing to support s...
Lord Lansley | 453 c161-2 (Link to this contribution) No, I apologise to my hon. Friend, but I must make some progress. Productivity is at the heart of t...
Lord Lansley | 453 c160-1 (Link to this contribution) No. Staff in the NHS know that that improvement has been in spite of the Government, not because of ...
Andy Burnham | 453 c160 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Patricia Hewitt | 453 c159 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman should admit that the previous Conservative Government negotiated the working tim...
Lord Lansley | 453 c158-9 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a good point. The Secretary of State is not talking about such matters because ...
Tony Baldry | 453 c158 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that it was extraordinary that the Secretary of State did not refer to reo...
Steve Webb | 453 c162 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Judy Mallaber | 453 c163-7 (Link to this contribution) I know of a number of local examples, from just the past few weeks, of the modernisation of health s...
Lord Lansley | 453 c162-3 (Link to this contribution) No, I should finish—[Hon. Members: ““No, keep going””.] There is always a lot more to say, but I had...
Steve Webb | 453 c170-1 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Amber Valley (Judy Mallaber), who made a thought-prov...
Steve Webb | 453 c171 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the fact that the Secretary of State nods her head. However, primary care trusts were crea...
Judy Mallaber | 453 c168-70 (Link to this contribution) That is interesting. I assume that we will get some reports back from the recent events involving Ch...
Lord Horam | 453 c168 (Link to this contribution) In relation to the intervention from the hon. Member for North Norfolk (Norman Lamb) and what the ho...
Simon Burns | 453 c191 (Link to this contribution) I have been listening to the hon. Gentleman’s sanctimonious mutterings, so will he comment on the fa...
Andrew Gwynne | 453 c188-91 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to follow the hon. Member for Sevenoaks (Mr. Fallon), who made a thoughtful speech, e...
Simon Burns | 453 c192 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way again?
Andrew Gwynne | 453 c192 (Link to this contribution) I said what needed to be said about pay in the NHS. Investment has been put into salaries and I reca...
Mike Penning | 453 c192 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way on that point?
Andrew Gwynne | 453 c192 (Link to this contribution) No, I will not. It is also our responsibility to ensure that we do not take part in scaremongering ...
Mike Penning | 453 c192 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for being so generous. At this present moment there is a meeting at West ...
Simon Burns | 453 c194-6 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted that a day of the debate on the Queen’s Speech has been allocated to health and educa...
Andrew Gwynne | 453 c192-4 (Link to this contribution) I am very sorry to hear about that case in the hon. Gentleman’s constituency. I do not know the bigg...
Simon Burns | 453 c196 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the Minister. I was listening carefully to her, and if she wants to finish wit...
Speaker | 453 c196 (Link to this contribution) Order. The right hon. Lady has made a sufficiently long intervention.
Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 453 c196 (Link to this contribution) I have been listening very carefully to the hon. Gentleman, who obviously brings to the debate his e...
Simon Burns | 453 c196-7 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that intervention, and she is absolutely right. It was quite evident to me ...
Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 453 c196 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the hon. Gentleman about the stigma and discrimination, but an important part of reduci...
Speaker | 453 c196 (Link to this contribution) Order. There are ways around the powers of a Deputy Speaker.
Doug Naysmith | 453 c199-201 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for West Chelmsford (Mr. Burns) in this debate. We engage...
John Penrose | 453 c197 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that the problem goes much wider? Bad examples of stigma occur in the work...
Nigel Evans | 453 c203-4 (Link to this contribution) I agree with much of what my hon. Friend is saying about complementary medicines. I was treated with...
David Tredinnick | 453 c203 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman. You said that we should be brief, Madam Deputy Speaker, which i...
David Tredinnick | 453 c204 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for bringing that to the House’s attention. Such treatments are avai...
David Tredinnick | 453 c201-3 (Link to this contribution) This is an exciting time to be in the House for Conservative Members, and we should look at the Quee...
Richard Taylor | 453 c203 (Link to this contribution) May I just point out that the hon. Gentleman referred to removing the head, not the top of the head?...
David Tredinnick | 453 c203 (Link to this contribution) I give way to the good doctor from the midlands. I was going call him my hon. Friend. He is a friend...
Richard Taylor | 453 c207-8 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Bosworth (David Tredinnick) and I can reassure him th...
David Tredinnick | 453 c205-7 (Link to this contribution) With this Chancellor, one does not know whether one is at the beginning, middle or end of an argumen...
Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 453 c208 (Link to this contribution) What would the hon. Gentleman say to taxpaying constituents of mine who suffer from Alzheimer’s or b...
Andrew Murrison | 453 c211 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman looks at the figures for maternity services, he will find that 80 per cent. of...
Richard Taylor | 453 c210-1 (Link to this contribution) No, I do not think that that is the case. I praise the Department of Health for producing the docume...
Mike Penning | 453 c210 (Link to this contribution) On primary care trusts that seem to spend extravagantly when they could cut costs, does the hon. Gen...
Richard Taylor | 453 c210 (Link to this contribution) That is a red herring at this point in my speech. I shall address that very point later, in relation...
Daniel Kawczynski | 453 c210 (Link to this contribution) Given that the hon. Gentleman has done so much analysis, does he agree with many Conservative Member...
Richard Taylor | 453 c209-10 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the hon. Gentleman. It is odd that NICE’s equivalent organisation in Scotland seems to ...
Nigel Evans | 453 c209 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman not find it odd that constituents of mine have been denied certain drugs, al...
Richard Taylor | 453 c211-2 (Link to this contribution) I think that the same applies, although I must admit that I have not looked at the figures in detail...
Alan Johnson | 453 c249-51 (Link to this contribution) Eighty-five thousand more nurses and 32,000 more doctors are certainly not managers. Can the Opposi...
Alan Johnson | 453 c248-9 (Link to this contribution) I have never been so charmingly lobbied. Capital investment in schools has been spectacular. When w...
Alan Johnson | 453 c248 (Link to this contribution) I thought that the hon. Gentleman said that the Bill would not be supported. However, there were exc...
Alan Johnson | 453 c247-8 (Link to this contribution) This has not been the best attended debate but it has been one of the most fascinating that I have a...
Lord Willetts | 453 c242-7 (Link to this contribution) We have had a wide-ranging debate with some interesting and distinguished speakers. Thinking back to...
Annette Brooke | 453 c235 (Link to this contribution) I am sure my hon. Friend would agree that funding for pupils with special needs and from deprived ar...
Baroness Teather | 453 c235-8 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has pre-empted the point that I was about to make. We are of one mind. The Secretary ...
Baroness Teather | 453 c235 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to be called to speak in the debate. We on the Liberal Democrat Benches do not have an...
Charles Walker | 453 c224 (Link to this contribution) You won’t be in two months’ time.
Daniel Kawczynski | 453 c224-6 (Link to this contribution) Well, we have the advantage of having my parents-in-law to help look after the baby. But there are a...
John Hemming | 453 c217-21 (Link to this contribution) Well, it is the Department for education at least—[Interruption.] All right; fair enough—I am slight...
Daniel Kawczynski | 453 c223-4 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend the Member for Harwich (Mr. Carswell) referred to this Chamber as being supine, and I...
Douglas Carswell | 453 c221-3 (Link to this contribution) I never thought that I would say this, but it is a pity to see so few Labour Members of Parliament i...
Daniel Kawczynski | 453 c216 (Link to this contribution) They are in office, but not in power.
Mike Penning | 453 c216 (Link to this contribution) That is the most feeble intervention from the Front Bench that I have heard for a long time. Has not...
John Hemming | 453 c217 (Link to this contribution) Given that the Department is called the Department for Education and Science—
Mike Penning | 453 c216-7 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a good point. When we return to power at the next election, we will empower loc...
Ivan Lewis | 453 c216 (Link to this contribution) How do the hon. Gentleman’s demands for intervention from the Secretary of State fit with his Front ...
Mike Penning | 453 c215 (Link to this contribution) That is because they have heard it all before. They are not listening to my constituents either. Dur...
Mike Penning | 453 c215 (Link to this contribution) I could not agree more. We have defence and armed forces debates every year, but this is a specific ...
John Hayes | 453 c214 (Link to this contribution) As my hon. Friend has made such a compelling case, would he use this opportunity to invite the Gover...
Mike Penning | 453 c214 (Link to this contribution) As a former soldier, I could not agree more. I am due to visit Selly Oak hospital in the near future...
Daniel Kawczynski | 453 c214 (Link to this contribution) My understanding from what the Prime Minister has said in the House previously is that he will consi...
Angela Watkinson | 453 c213-4 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes an important point. On Remembrance day this week, I spoke to servicemen who had...
Mike Penning | 453 c212-3 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased that the Minister of State, Department of Health, the right hon. Member for Doncaster, ...
Nigel Evans | 453 c231 (Link to this contribution) Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I always get a bit unnerved when I am heckled, but even mor...
Speaker | 453 c230-1 (Link to this contribution) Order. I am sorry to interrupt the hon. Gentleman, but far too many sedentary exchanges are going on...
Nigel Evans | 453 c231-2 (Link to this contribution) It might well be. I suspect that a lot of red meat will be thrown towards the Labour Benches over th...
Charles Walker | 453 c231 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend refers to the wish of a right hon. Member to get rid of grammar schools. Is that the ...
Nigel Evans | 453 c232 (Link to this contribution) I agree. It is a false economy: it will cost far more if STDs continue to spread at the present rate...
Nigel Evans | 453 c233 (Link to this contribution) That is correct. They are dedicated people who want to work in the health service—they want to give ...
Mike Penning | 453 c232 (Link to this contribution) Is it not also ethically and morally wrong to build up those young people and train them so that the...
Nigel Evans | 453 c233-4 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is absolutely right. We all know what happens during the bust phase. It is another exa...
Annette Brooke | 453 c233 (Link to this contribution) I sympathise with the hon. Gentleman’s argument, but is he aware that we are approaching the point a...
Nigel Evans | 453 c230 (Link to this contribution) It is a great pleasure to take part in the debate on the Queen’s Speech. I am grateful that the Secr...
Charles Walker | 453 c226-7 (Link to this contribution) I notice that we have just under an hour for four speakers, so my speech will take less than 15 minu...
Charles Walker | 453 c228-9 (Link to this contribution) We thought that it would be £350 million, but we now hear that it could be well below £300 million. ...
Mike Penning | 453 c228 (Link to this contribution) Three hundred and fifty million pounds.
Charles Walker | 453 c227-8 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for that intervention. It is a great sadness because he has fought tirelessly...
Mike Penning | 453 c227 (Link to this contribution) The proposals for the Hatfield private finance initiative project were all locked into ““Investing i...
Charles Walker | 453 c229-30 (Link to this contribution) I take the hon. Gentleman’s point. In my constituency, there is an excellent charity called Working ...
David Wright | 453 c229 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that we need flexible living settings for people who have mental healt...
Charles Walker | 453 c229 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes an excellent point. I am totally opposed to the institutionalisation of people ...
Nicholas Winterton | 453 c229 (Link to this contribution) I have taken a particular interest in this area. Is my hon. Friend aware that many who suffer from s...
Lord Lansley | 453 c156 (Link to this contribution) I understand the point that my hon. Friend makes. It is this Government’s past failure to make appro...
Simon Burns | 453 c197-9 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend picks up an extremely important point that is a crucial part of the equation. In fair...
Mike Penning | 453 c214 (Link to this contribution) Any Government of any political persuasion should look after their armed forces, who have given so m...
David Wright | 453 c248 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend agree that investment in schools has enormous spin-off benefits for regene...
Angela Watkinson | 453 c238-42 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the opportunity to contribute to the Queen’s Speech debate on health and education...
Speaker | 453 c147 (Link to this contribution) Order. I ask hon. Members to allow the Secretary of State to make her speech. It is unfair that Oppo...
Patricia Hewitt | 453 c150 (Link to this contribution) I do not recognise either the hon. Gentleman’s figures or his characterisation of the services. Alth...
Lord Lansley | 453 c151 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State will recall that, before the 1990 embryology legislation was introduced, the ...
Judy Mallaber | 453 c168 (Link to this contribution) I absolutely agree. The all-party group has taken up the issue of company transparency and has been ...
Norman Lamb | 453 c167-8 (Link to this contribution) The UN panel of experts described a multi-billion dollar theft of the country’s natural resources an...
Tim Loughton | 453 c232 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes an interesting point. Is that not another example of the Government simply latc...
Lord Lansley | 453 c159-60 (Link to this contribution) First, it would make a difference if we knew what the clinical arguments were. At present, financial...
Richard Taylor | 453 c209 (Link to this contribution) Yes, of course it is odd. I shall shortly give my suggestions for enabling NICE to deal with afforda...
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