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Programme (No. 5) motion. Agreed to on question. Consideration of Lords amendments. Clause 82, amendment (a) to Lords amendment 182, considered with further Lords amendments, Government amendments, motions to disagree and amendments in lieu. Amendment (a) made. Lords amendment 182, as amended, agreed to. Lords amendments 348 and 391, amendments...

Lead member
Paul Scully
Department
Department for Culture, Media and Sport; Department for Science, Innovation and Technology
Type
Debates on bills
Date
12 September 2023
Reference
737 cc799-846
House
House of Commons

I beg to move amendment (a) to Lords amendment 182.

Member
Paul Scully (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 September 2023
Reference
737 c799
House
House of Commons

As we know from proceedings in this place, the Online Safety Bill is incredibly important. I am delighted that it is returning to the Commons in great shape, having gone through extensive and thorough scrutiny in the Lords. The Bill is world-leading, and the legislative framework established by it will...

Member
Paul Scully (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 September 2023
Reference
737 c799
House
House of Commons

I thank my hon. Friend and my hon. Friend the Member for Penistone and Stocksbridge (Miriam Cates) for all their work on this. I hope that this debate will show that we have listened and tried to work with everybody, including on this important part of the Bill. We have...

Member
Paul Scully (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 September 2023
Reference
737 c800
House
House of Commons

I thank my right hon. Friend for his work on this, and Baroness Kidron for her work. I will cover that in more detail in a moment, but we remain committed to exploring measures that would facilitate better access to data for coroners under specific circumstances. We are looking for...

Member
Paul Scully (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 September 2023
Reference
737 cc800-1
House
House of Commons

This is a difficult path to tread in approaching this issue for the first time. In many ways, these are things that we should have done 10 or 15 years ago, as social media platforms and people’s engagement with them proliferated over that period. Regulation has to be done gently,...

Member
Paul Scully (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 September 2023
Reference
737 c801
House
House of Commons

The hon. Lady asks an important question, and that is the essence of what we are doing. We have tried to make this Bill flexible and proportionate. It is not technology specific, so that it is as future-proofed as possible. We must obviously lean into Ofcom as it seeks to...

Member
Paul Scully (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 September 2023
Reference
737 c802
House
House of Commons

Undoubtedly we will have to come back to that point. Not everything needs to be in the Bill at this point. We have industry initiatives, such as Adobe’s content security policy, which are good initiatives in themselves, but as we better understand misinformation, disinformation, deepfakes and the proliferation and repetition...

Member
Paul Scully (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 September 2023
Reference
737 c802
House
House of Commons

The right hon. Lady raises some interesting points. We have conversed about harms, so I totally get her point about making sure that we tackle this issue in Parliament and be accountable in Parliament. As I have said, that will be done predominantly by monitoring the Bill through Ofcom’s reporting...

Member
Paul Scully (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 September 2023
Reference
737 cc802-3
House
House of Commons

I have talked about the fact that we have to keep this legislation under review, because the landscape is fast-moving. At every stage that I have been dealing with this Bill, I have said that inevitably we will have to come back. We can make the Bill as flexible, proportionate...

Member
Paul Scully (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 September 2023
Reference
737 cc803-4
House
House of Commons

My hon. Friend makes an important point, and I thank him for the amazing work he has done in getting the Bill to this point and for his ongoing help and support in making sure that we get it absolutely right. This is not about bashing technology companies; it is...

Member
Paul Scully (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 September 2023
Reference
737 cc804-7
House
House of Commons

Indeed, we will not be accepting those amendments, but I will cover more of that later on, after I have listened to the comments that I know my hon. Friend wants to make.

As a result of the amendment, we have also made a small change to clause 98—the emerging category...

Member
Paul Scully (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 September 2023
Reference
737 cc807-8
House
House of Commons

I thank all right hon. and hon. Members for their contribution to the debate today and, indeed, right through the passage of this complex Bill.

First, let me turn to the amendments tabled by my hon. Friend the Member for Yeovil (Mr Fysh). I understand that the intention of his amendments...

Member
Paul Scully (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 September 2023
Reference
737 cc840-1
House
House of Commons

The hon. Gentleman is talking about the access of coroners, families and others to information, following the sad death of Molly Russell. Again, I pay tribute to Ian Russell and all the campaigners. I am glad that we have been able to find an answer to a very complex situation,...

Member
Paul Scully (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 September 2023
Reference
737 c841
House
House of Commons

My hon. Friend absolutely nails it. He said earlier that businesses are already collecting this data. Since I was first involved with the Bill, it has primarily been about getting businesses to adhere to their own terms and conditions. The data they use should be used in that way.

The amendment...

Member
Paul Scully (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 September 2023
Reference
737 cc842-4
House
House of Commons

I do not think I need to respond to that, but it goes to show does it not?

My hon. Friend talked about post-legislative scrutiny. Now that we have the new Department of Science, Innovation and Technology, we have extra capacity within Committees to look at various aspects, and not just...

Member
Paul Scully (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 September 2023
Reference
737 c844
House
House of Commons

I thank my right hon. Friend for that intervention. Indeed, end-to-end encrypted services are in the scope of the Bill. Companies must assess the level of risk and meet their duties no matter what their design is.

Member
Paul Scully (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 September 2023
Reference
737 c845
House
House of Commons

I was just coming to that. I thank my right hon. Friend for the rest of her speech. She always speaks so powerfully on eating disorders—on anorexia in particular—and I can indeed confirm the intent behind the Minister’s letter about the creation and use of algorithms.

Finally, I shall cover two...

Member
Paul Scully (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 September 2023
Reference
737 c845
House
House of Commons

I will certainly look at that. Our intention is that in all areas, especially relating to children and their protection, that might not fall within the user enforcement duties, we will look to make sure that the work of those organisations is reflected in what we are trying to achieve...

Member
Paul Scully (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 September 2023
Reference
737 cc845-6
House
House of Commons

There is a lot to cover in the short time I have, but first let me thank Members for their contributions to the debate. We had great contributions from the hon. Member for Pontypridd (Alex Davies-Jones), my right hon. Friend the Member for Witham (Priti Patel) and the right hon....

Member
Paul Scully (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 January 2023
Reference
726 cc311-2
House
House of Commons