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To ask Her Majesty's Government what plans they have to make regulations under the Corporate Insolvency and Governance Act 2020 to protect museum collections from sale when holding bodies go into administration.

Asked by
Lord Stevenson of Balmacara (Labour)
Answering body
Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport
Type
Written questions
Status
Answered
Date
23 July 2020
Reference
HL6731
House
House of Lords

I beg to move,

That this House has considered the National Railway Museum and ownership of national assets.

It is a great pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Chope. I am pleased to have this opportunity to raise a matter of serious concern relating to the National Railway Museum and ownership...

Member
Kelvin Hopkins (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 October 2017
Reference
630 c180WH
House
House of Commons

I congratulate my hon. Friend on securing the debate. I also declare an interest as the chair of the all-party parliamentary group on industrial heritage. Does he agree that the time has come, when looking at the National Railway Museum and other assets, for a comprehensive strategy from the Government...

Member
Nick Thomas-Symonds (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 October 2017
Reference
630 c180WH
House
House of Commons

I agree absolutely. Losing our heritage would be a disaster for our history. Some countries have had their histories almost destroyed and forgotten, and they have been lessened by that experience. We must preserve our great industrial heritage.

My concern—indeed, my alarm—has been raised by the giving away of three steam...

Member
Kelvin Hopkins (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 October 2017
Reference
630 c180WH
House
House of Commons

Which ones are they?

Member
Helen Goodman (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 October 2017
Reference
630 c180WH
House
House of Commons

I will come to the specific detail about the particular engines.

The decisions were unprecedented and indeed set a dangerous precedent that could be followed by others unless abandoned now. Precious artefacts of all kinds

must remain owned by us all, for us all, and be exhibited in our great museums and...

Member
Kelvin Hopkins (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 October 2017
Reference
630 cc180-1WH
House
House of Commons

I am deeply grateful to my hon. Friend for initiating the debate. I am concerned about Locomotion No. 1, the first passenger train steam engine. Built in 1825 by Timothy Hackworth in Shildon in my

constituency, it ought to be in the NRM branch museum in Shildon; instead, it is...

Member
Helen Goodman (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 October 2017
Reference
630 c181WH
House
House of Commons

I thank my hon. Friend for that helpful intervention. I agree with her. Giving away publicly owned locomotives from museums that are free to enter to institutions where people have to pay is, in effect, privatisation.

Member
Kelvin Hopkins (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 October 2017
Reference
630 c182WH
House
House of Commons

I feel moved to intervene, following the intervention from our hon. Friend the Member for Bishop Auckland (Helen Goodman). Locomotion is in the Darlington Railway Museum, which she describes as a small museum where people have to pay. That is true. I am here today to make a plea that...

Member
Baroness Chapman of Darlington (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 October 2017
Reference
630 c182WH
House
House of Commons

Of course, Darlington is one of the historic towns of our railway history, with the Stockton to Darlington Railway being the first effective steam railway in the world, let alone in Britain. I am therefore pleased that my hon. Friend is here.

There is also the matter of the Museums Association...

Member
Kelvin Hopkins (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 October 2017
Reference
630 cc182-3WH
House
House of Commons

It is good to see you in the Chair, Mr Chope. I can relate a railway story from when I was growing up in your constituency, when I spent a day on Hinton Admiral station waiting for the Flying Scotsman to come through—alas, it came by road. Thankfully, it is...

Member
Rachael Maskell (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 October 2017
Reference
630 c183WH
House
House of Commons

I must say that it is only in the last two days that I have heard about the possible promise to get the Swanage steam engine into steam again. I suspect that might be a reaction to today’s debate. Wonderful as small private railways are as a supplement to the...

Member
Kelvin Hopkins (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 October 2017
Reference
630 c184WH
House
House of Commons

I can inform my hon. Friend that the Swanage Railway Trust is working with the National Railway Museum, using its expertise to look at how it can improve the condition of that piece of the collection. We are not talking about a divorce settlement; it is about working together on...

Member
Rachael Maskell (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 October 2017
Reference
630 cc184-5WH
House
House of Commons

I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Luton North (Kelvin Hopkins) on securing the debate. Unlike him, I am not an expert on trains and have not devoted much of my life to studying steam engines, but I can say that although many towns and communities around the country...

Member
Baroness Chapman of Darlington (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 October 2017
Reference
630 c185WH
House
House of Commons

I am very much enjoying my hon. Friend’s speech. Is it not even more remarkable that railways have become the transport mode of the future? Across the world, countries are building railways. When I was working in the TUC economic department and was responsible for transport policy, railways were being...

Member
Kelvin Hopkins (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 October 2017
Reference
630 c185WH
House
House of Commons

Absolutely, and I shall be using that quote. We are excited that we are building the trains of the future, at Hitachi in Newton Aycliffe, and that we are still building steam trains in Darlington. I think the Tornado was the first steam train to be built for decades, and...

Member
Baroness Chapman of Darlington (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 October 2017
Reference
630 c185WH
House
House of Commons

I was just suggesting that if the Tornado was built in Darlington, Darlington should have the Tornado, but Shildon should have Locomotion No. 1.

Member
Helen Goodman (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 October 2017
Reference
630 c186WH
House
House of Commons

I see that this local rivalry could get out of hand! We would love the Tornado, but we are proud that the Tornado, made in Darlington, is being used and enjoyed regularly by passengers around the country, although we are thrilled when it comes back to the north-east, too. My...

Member
Baroness Chapman of Darlington (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 October 2017
Reference
630 c186WH
House
House of Commons

Italian art.

Member
Helen Goodman (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 October 2017
Reference
630 c186WH
House
House of Commons

As Italian art, for example.

The National Railway Museum is in a privileged position, in that it has all those assets in a wonderful location. Visiting it is an incredible experience, as is visiting the site at Shildon. I have enjoyed both, and families across the north-east enjoy them regularly. However,...

Member
Baroness Chapman of Darlington (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
25 October 2017
Reference
630 cc186-7WH
House
House of Commons