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Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts

31: Before Clause 6, insert the following new Clause—

“Application for public interest immunity

(1) In any relevant civil proceedings in which the Secretary of State considers that—

(a) a party to the proceedings, whether or not the Secretary of State, would be required to disclose material in...

Member
Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 November 2012
Reference
740 c1811
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendments 32 and 44. I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Dubs, for putting his name to these amendments.

We come now to Part 2 of the Bill, which is concerned with closed material procedures. They are a new development in UK civil...

Member
Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 November 2012
Reference
740 cc1811-4
House
House of Lords

My Lords, Amendments 36 to 38, 40 and 47 to 49 are in my name and the names of the noble Lords, Lord Lester of Herne Hill and Lord Beecham, and the noble Baroness, Lady Berridge. Amendment 50 has the same signatories save that the noble Baroness, Lady Kennedy of...

Member
Lord Pannick (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 November 2012
Reference
740 cc1814-7
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thought it might help the House to take the unusual step of speaking early in the debate on behalf of the Opposition in order to make our position clear in relation to the amendments in this group, in particular those that emanate from the report of the...

Member
Lord Beecham (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 November 2012
Reference
740 cc1817-1820
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I speak as a member of the Joint Committee on Human Rights. I intend to make only one speech, if I can get away with that, and to make it as brief as I can.

The issues raised in this debate are of profound importance to the rule of...

Member
Lord Lester of Herne Hill (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 November 2012
Reference
740 cc1820-2
House
House of Lords

My Lords, briefly, I support the amendments. I make one specific comment. Having listened to the speeches of my noble friend Lord Beecham and the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, I say simply that there is a very thin line between their arguments in support of the amendments and Amendment 45...

Member
Lord Dubs (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 November 2012
Reference
740 c1822
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I speak as a member of the Joint Committee on Human Rights and as the fourth name on this group of amendments. Normally, I take very seriously the advice given by our Government

—so much so that I took the advice of the Government’s Chief Medical Officer early...

Member
Baroness Berridge (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 November 2012
Reference
740 cc1822-3
House
House of Lords

My Lords—

Member
Lord Morgan (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 November 2012
Reference
740 c1823
House
House of Lords

My Lords—

Member
Lord Lloyd of Berwick (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 November 2012
Reference
740 c1823
House
House of Lords

Thank you. I am very anxious to hear the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lloyd, too. I will not speak for very long. I am not a lawyer and I sit on the Back Benches, as I always have, where one is required to vote but not necessarily to think....

Member
Lord Morgan (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 November 2012
Reference
740 cc1823-4
House
House of Lords

I fear that I may disappoint the noble Lord, Lord Morgan—but I hope not. I have no difficulty at all with Amendments 37 and 40, which were tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, but I have some difficulties with Amendments 34 and 35, which we are going to come...

Member
Lord Lloyd of Berwick (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 November 2012
Reference
740 cc1824-5
House
House of Lords

My Lords, the focus of the Bill is to enable this country to find a means of dispensing justice while protecting national security. National security has not had much of a hearing so far this afternoon. I shall explain why I do not think that public interest immunity is any...

Member
Baroness Neville-Jones (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 November 2012
Reference
740 cc1825-7
House
House of Lords

I want to speak very briefly to Amendment 48, which has been grouped with these amendments. I do not accept that this tips the balance, as the noble Baroness suggested just a moment ago.

One of the most unsettling provisions of this Bill is contained in Clause 7, which provides that...

Member
Lord Wigley (Plaid Cymru)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 November 2012
Reference
740 c1826
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I start by paying tribute to the Joint Committee on Human Rights for the very important work it puts into producing the thorough and excellent report that gave rise to the amendments in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, and others.

The first question to be addressed...

Member
Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 November 2012
Reference
740 cc1826-9
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I find myself in familiar territory, as I sat in a judicial capacity on a number of appeals dealing with closed material, including Al-Rawi. Closed material is anathema to any court, and the Supreme Court always managed to deal with issues relating to closed material without looking at...

Member
Lord Phillips of Worth Matravers (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 November 2012
Reference
740 cc1830-1
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I should like to add a word of tribute to the Joint Committee on Human Rights for the thoroughness and courage of its work, and I pay tribute to those who put these amendments forward.

I am not a lawyer, but what concerns me in all this is what...

Member
Lord Judd (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 November 2012
Reference
740 cc1831-2
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I accept that my noble friend the Minister has an acutely difficult task in dealing with this part of the Bill and with these amendments. I do not think that anybody in this House pretends otherwise. Balancing national security against individual liberty and due process is judgment-of-Solomon stuff....

Member
Lord Phillips of Sudbury (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 November 2012
Reference
740 c1832
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I will step out of the courtroom and into the street. Most of my life I have lived close to terrorism or among it. I have lived close to those in the secret services and many in the police. One thing that we must not vote for tonight...

Member
Lord Glentoran (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 November 2012
Reference
740 c1832
House
House of Lords

My Lords, although I did not intend to intervene, I urge the Minister, when he comes to reply, to develop any serious reservations he may have about Amendment 48. Perhaps the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, would consider doing for Amendment 48 what he is doing for Amendment 50. I do...

Member
Lord Owen (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 November 2012
Reference
740 c1833
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I will be very brief as all the arguments have been well rehearsed. I share the concern of all other noble Lords about these provisions and

the agonising balance that has to be struck. I particularly agree of course that either party should have the right to go...

Member
Lord Faulks (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 November 2012
Reference
740 cc1835-6
House
House of Lords