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Lords committee stage first day. Clauses 1 to 22 agreed to. New clause debated and withdrawn. Clauses 23 to 58 agreed to. New clauses debated and withdrawn.

Lead member
Baroness Vere of Norbiton
Department
Department for Transport
Type
Debates on bills; Committee proceedings
Date
9 November 2020
Reference
807 cc337-404GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank the noble Lords, Lord Berkeley and Lord Tunnicliffe, for their amendments in this group. They have been grouped together as they cover the very important areas of transparency and accountability. The Government agree that these areas are absolutely vital; we must ensure that the project is...

Member
Baroness Vere of Norbiton (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 November 2020
Reference
807 cc384-6GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I hope that your Lordships can now hear me. I speak in support of Amendments 4 and 9, proposed by the noble Lords, Lord Berkeley and Lord Tunnicliffe. I particularly thank the noble Lord, Lord Berkeley, for his tenacity and detailed, professional questioning of what I call a...

Member
Lord Framlingham (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 November 2020
Reference
807 cc386-7GC
House
House of Lords

I thank my noble friend for his comments. I believe I covered all the issues he raised in my earlier remarks. I have nothing further.

Member
Baroness Vere of Norbiton (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 November 2020
Reference
807 c387GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I will make two brief points. I really do object to the way the noble Lord, Lord Adonis, accuses everybody who raises legitimate objections to anything as being against the project being built. Nothing could be further from the truth. My comments in particular are about environmental performance,...

Member
Baroness Young of Old Scone (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 November 2020
Reference
807 cc387-8GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I hope this time noble Lords can hear me.

Member
Lord Framlingham (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 November 2020
Reference
807 c397GC
House
House of Lords

I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Jones of Moulsecoomb, for her kind remarks. Sadly, I am reluctant to concede that this mad project can go ahead because I know it will not work; it will not do what it was supposed to be designed to do, and it...

Member
Lord Framlingham (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 November 2020
Reference
807 cc397-8GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, the noble Earl, Lord Lytton, with his great expertise, has made a detailed case for these amendments, so I will speak briefly. I want particularly to talk about Amendment 10 in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Tunnicliffe, to which I have added my name.

Some elements of...

Member
Baroness Randerson (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 November 2020
Reference
807 c398GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, this has been an interesting debate. My amendment was tabled to make sure that these important issues are fully debated. I have been rewarded, in the sense that we have had a debate to which people with a great deal of knowledge and experience have contributed.

When I headed...

Member
Lord Tunnicliffe (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 November 2020
Reference
807 cc398-9GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, this has been a very good and occasionally somewhat detailed debate; I will certainly be doing a follow-up letter when we have finished.

I want to say at the outset that while I agree that HS2 must always strive to improve, I do not recognise the claims by the...

Member
Baroness Vere of Norbiton (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 November 2020
Reference
807 cc399-401GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank the Minister and all noble Lords who spoke on these amendments. I am particularly grateful to those who expressed some support for the principles behind them.

I will deal with some of the points in the Minister’s response. One of her first points was that she did...

Member
Earl of Lytton (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 November 2020
Reference
807 cc401-4GC
House
House of Lords

Moved by

The Earl of Lytton

5: After Clause 58, insert the following new Clause—

“Compensation scheme for tenants

(1) The Secretary of State must by regulations make provision for a scheme to compensate tenants adversely affected by the scheduled works.

(2) Regulations under this section may contain such supplementary, incidental, consequential or transitional provision...

Member
Earl of Lytton (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 November 2020
Reference
807 c389GC
House
House of Lords

I think my comments still stand. What the noble Baroness has outlined highlights the importance of a constructive and productive relationship between all environmental NGOs, including the Woodland Trust, and HS2. Building large-scale transport infrastructure is never easy. It is always a very challenging time. People with different interests will...

Member
Baroness Vere of Norbiton (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 November 2020
Reference
807 c388GC
House
House of Lords

I am grateful for the opportunity to wind up the debate on these amendments. I thank all noble Lords who have spoken. The debate has ranged widely from those who, frankly, do not trust HS2 further than they can throw it and others who say that it is doing fine...

Member
Lord Berkeley (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 November 2020
Reference
807 cc388-9GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, we now move from natural landscapes and habitats to the man-made ones. Before I go any further, I declare my interest as an almost completely retired chartered surveyor, although I confess that it is a very long time since I dealt with anything in relation to compulsory acquisition....

Member
Earl of Lytton (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 November 2020
Reference
807 cc390-3GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I have listened carefully to the explanation by the noble Earl, Lord Lytton, of the problems with compulsory purchase and payments to those affected—mostly by HS1, because so far that is where the experience is available, unless we go back to Crossrail, which I think we will come...

Member
Lord Berkeley (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 November 2020
Reference
807 cc392-4GC
House
House of Lords

The last thing I would want to argue against is a fairness regime for dealing with compensation. I can only base my impressions of this on the time I spent as a member of the Select Committee. From the moment we were appointed to when, because of the obvious delays...

Member
Lord Haselhurst (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 November 2020
Reference
807 cc394-5GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I congratulate the noble Earl, Lord Lytton, on his 14-and-a-half-minute masterclass on how to pull apart inadequate government legislation. It was absolutely brilliant, and I cannot see that it leaves much for the rest of us to say—however, I am going to try.

I am delighted that noble Lord,...

Member
Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb (Green Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 November 2020
Reference
807 cc395-6GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I say to the noble Baroness, Lady Jones, that I am not at all impugning her integrity; I am just disagreeing with her. It is perfectly in order for us to disagree, as we do on HS2. There is no issue of integrity at stake at all. I...

Member
Lord Adonis (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 November 2020
Reference
807 cc396-7GC
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thought that the noble Lords, Lord Adonis and Lord Liddle, did a very good job of making many of my points for me. Then, of course, the noble and learned Lord, Lord Hope, came in and did a proper job on the matter in hand. I will...

Member
Baroness Vere of Norbiton (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 November 2020
Reference
807 cc367-9GC
House
House of Lords