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My Lords, regardless of the statistics the Minister has suggested on the number of those reached for self-isolation, communities with large minority communities remain unaware of government regulations and, most importantly, the unnecessary punitive fines. Some of the latest statistics

suggest that more than 60% of close contacts of those...

Member
Baroness Uddin (Non-affiliated)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 October 2020
Reference
806 cc1666-7
House
House of Lords

My Lords, there are various things to say here. First, whenever we make regulations, I guess that we have to assume that people are the same, depending on their age, gender or profession—but

they are different. Even among the elderly, there is a great difference among BAME people, some of...

Member
Lord Desai (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 October 2020
Reference
806 cc1669-1670
House
House of Lords

My Lords, these regulations also stress the importance of personal responsibility. A recent survey indicated low levels of adherence to self-isolation guidance, at 18%. The study was conducted by a range of bodies, including Public Health England and academic institutions. Will the Government publish that figure and emphasise that people...

Member
Lord McColl of Dulwich (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 October 2020
Reference
806 c1670
House
House of Lords

I thank my noble friend, for whose stamina, good humour and diligence I have enormous respect, for introducing these regulations. He certainly received the hospital pass. He says that the aim of this SI is to make it crystal clear to the public that people should stay at home and...

Member
Baroness Altmann (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 October 2020
Reference
806 cc1670-1
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I take this opportunity to thank the Minister for his explanation of the regulations. It is always a pleasure to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Altmann.

There is no doubt that there is confusion around the intent of these regulations and the issue of self-isolation, which of itself, notwithstanding...

Member
Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick (Non-affiliated)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 October 2020
Reference
806 c1671
House
House of Lords

It is a pleasure to follow the noble Baroness and to join others in congratulating my noble friend on his stamina and energy in pressing these regulations.

I ask my noble friend to address a number of practical problems and limitations with the app and the track and trace system. On...

Member
Baroness McIntosh of Pickering (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 October 2020
Reference
806 cc1671-2
House
House of Lords

I, too, pay tribute from these Benches to the Minister’s work ethic in coming forward with these continuous regulations. I want to hit on that—and no one else in the debate so far really has done. On these Benches, we accept that in a public health crisis proportionate, evidence-based and...

Member
Lord Scriven (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 October 2020
Reference
806 cc1672-3
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank the Minister for introducing this instrument, although I must put on record my concern that we are only now able to debate these regulations, almost four weeks after they came into effect. Moreover, it is simply unacceptable that this instrument came into force a mere seven...

Member
Lord Touhig (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 October 2020
Reference
806 cc1673-4
House
House of Lords

My Lords, this instrument sets out the regulations on the legal duty to stay at home and self-isolate for people who test positive for Covid-19 and their contacts who are told to self-isolate by NHS Test and Trace, which came into force on 28 September. The principle of self-isolation is...

Member
Lord Bethell (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 October 2020
Reference
806 cc1658-1660
House
House of Lords

My Lords, the message was “clarity”; that is a joke. There are no less than five ways to calculate the period of time for self-isolation in the regulations: at Regulation 3(3)(a), Regulation 3(3)(b), Regulation 3(4)(a)i, Regulation 3(4)(a)ii and Regulation 3(4)(b). Who makes the calculation? If you slip up, potentially more...

Member
Lord Rooker (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 October 2020
Reference
806 c1660
House
House of Lords

My Lords, when an individual self-isolates, the whole household is impacted too. What financial support might be available? Does enforced self-isolation mean that the individual is entitled to statutory sick pay? In Germany they would get full pay. If the rest of the family have to isolate too, are they...

Member
Baroness Jolly (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 October 2020
Reference
806 cc1660-1
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I begin by thanking our hard-working Minister for a very helpful meeting we had recently about parents of school-age children who had been required to self-isolate for months because of their exceptional vulnerability to Covid-19. These same parents are now required not to self-isolate, despite their exceptional vulnerability,...

Member
Baroness Meacher (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 October 2020
Reference
806 cc1661-2
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank the Minister for presenting so clearly this vital regulation. I am sure that your Lordships agree that it would be wrong not to self-isolate as instructed, and wrong not to make disobedience a serious offence. However, what is the government procedure for contacting the general public...

Member
Baroness Rawlings (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 October 2020
Reference
806 c1662
House
House of Lords

My Lords, we have just two minutes each to debate these important regulations, which create large fines and come at the same time as the agreement reached with the police for the handing over of the personal information of individuals notified to isolate. This is a travesty of parliamentary scrutiny....

Member
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 October 2020
Reference
806 c1662
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I agree with the noble Lord, Lord Rooker, about the difficulty posed by the complexity of these regulations, and with the noble Lord, Lord Hunt. Poorer people, without a smartphone that supports the NHS app, are more likely to be fined if they fail to isolate than those...

Member
Baroness Walmsley (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 October 2020
Reference
806 cc1662-3
House
House of Lords

My Lords, the Secondary Legislation Scrutiny Committee has drawn these regulations to the attention of the House due to their potentially discriminatory nature. This is because the regulations do not apply to people who use the NHS app. The committee believes—and I agree—that the elderly and the poor are less...

Member
Lord Loomba (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 October 2020
Reference
806 c1663
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I think it is obvious that most people agree that self-isolation when you have a communicable disease is a good idea if you can possibly do it—so most people will of course obey the instruction. But for those people who do not, I fear that the Government have...

Member
Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb (Green Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 October 2020
Reference
806 cc1663-4
House
House of Lords

I will follow the noble Lord, Lord Rooker, and his emphasis on the importance of exercise, and the noble Baroness, Lady Meacher, on the critical importance of children in isolation. Will the Minister tell us what public health advice concerning physical well-being and mental health is being given to the...

Member
Lord Moynihan (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 October 2020
Reference
806 c1664
House
House of Lords

My Lords, individuals will be required to isolate for specified periods in specified places. This implies that such periods will vary. On what does that depend? Failure to isolate will incur a fine ranging from £1,000 to £10,000. That is quite a range. What criteria will determine the amount of...

Member
Baroness Massey of Darwen (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 October 2020
Reference
806 cc1664-5
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I understand why these regulations have been made and share many of the concerns of other noble Lords. The first point that has to be made is that it all depends on the effectiveness of test and trace.

One of the effects of the measures extending to employers is...

Member
Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
22 October 2020
Reference
806 c1665
House
House of Lords