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The Leader of the House's announcement about plain English statements and a new timetable for questions is welcome. I assume that there will be a chance over a year to consider how the latter works. I hope that there is a case for doing the one thing that, despite her...
The Leader of the House's announcement about plain English statements and a new timetable for questions is welcome. I assume that there will be a chance over a year to consider how the latter works. I hope that there is a case for doing the one thing that, despite her...
Member
Simon Hughes
(Liberal Democrat)
Type
Business questions
Subjects
Elections; Legislation; Electoral systems; Prisons; Tribunals
Date
25 October 2007
Reference
465 c426-8
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
House
House of Commons
I welcome the fact that the Leader of the House has reflected on the issue of the question cycle. It is important that Departments such as the Ministry of Justice are able to have longer than the half hour that is in the current cycle. I thank her for giving...
I welcome the fact that the Leader of the House has reflected on the issue of the question cycle. It is important that Departments such as the Ministry of Justice are able to have longer than the half hour that is in the current cycle. I thank her for giving...
Member
Baroness May of Maidenhead
(Conservative)
Type
Business questions
Subjects
Capital gains tax; Democracy; Equality; Immigration; Legislation; Electoral systems; EU reform; Motorways; Treaties; Myanmar
Date
25 October 2007
Reference
465 c423-4
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
House
House of Commons
My Lords, I thank my noble friend for not giving a birthday present to the noble Baroness. I tell my noble friend, the noble Baroness and her colleagues that the introduction of proportional representation in Scotland has been an absolute tragedy. We have seen chaos, confusion and cuts. At local government level, we see the Liberal Democrats in an unholy alliance with the Scottish National Party. Will my noble friend assure us that, because of this experience, we will stick to the tried and tested system of first past the post, which has given us stability in this country for decades and centuries?
My Lords, I thank my noble friend for not giving a birthday present to the noble Baroness. I tell my noble friend, the noble Baroness and her colleagues that the introduction of proportional representation in Scotland has been an absolute tragedy. We have seen chaos, confusion and cuts. At local government level, we see the Liberal Democrats in an unholy alliance with the Scottish National Party. Will my noble friend assure us that, because of this experience, we will stick to the tried and tested system of first past the post, which has given us stability in this country for decades and centuries?
Asked by
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock
(Labour)
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
15 October 2007
My Lords, I have a great deal of sympathy with what my noble friend has to say. However, the Scottish system cannot be so bad given that it managed to elect him.
Subjects
Electoral systems; Reform; Speaker's Conference on Parliamentary Representation
Date
15 October 2007
Reference
695 c527
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, will the Speaker’s Conference be able to look at the review of the Scottish elections? This House was promised that the reports on those elections would be available during the Recess but, as of last Thursday, they did not appear to be available to anyone.
My Lords, will the Speaker’s Conference be able to look at the review of the Scottish elections? This House was promised that the reports on those elections would be available during the Recess but, as of last Thursday, they did not appear to be available to anyone.
Asked by
Lord Naseby
(Conservative)
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
15 October 2007
My Lords, the Gould review is undertaking a look at the experience of the elections in Scotland. My understanding is that it is due for publication shortly, but I do not have a definitive date. I am sure that it will prove of great interest to all of us.
Subjects
Electoral systems; Reform; Speaker's Conference on Parliamentary Representation
Date
15 October 2007
Reference
695 c527
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, has the Minister given—and will the Speaker’s Conference give—any thought to how elections to this House might take place?
My Lords, has the Minister given—and will the Speaker’s Conference give—any thought to how elections to this House might take place?
Asked by
Viscount Montgomery of Alamein
(Crossbench)
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
15 October 2007
My Lords, there are as many ideas about electoral systems as there are about reform of your Lordships' House. The White Paper that led to the votes in the House and the other place in the spring discussed voting systems. I assure the noble Lord that, as we take forward discussions on reform of your Lordships' House, the question of which voting system is to be adopted will be given careful consideration.
Subjects
Electoral systems; Reform; Speaker's Conference on Parliamentary Representation
Date
15 October 2007
Reference
695 c528
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, I first congratulate the noble Baroness on her birthday today. I am afraid that I have to disappoint her. I am not prepared to press in the direction that she has suggested. My right honourable friend the Prime Minister has made it clear that he wishes the Speaker’s Conference to be concerned with issues to do with the decline in turnout. I do not think that it should be distracted by going down the cul-de-sac suggested by the noble Baroness.
My Lords, I first congratulate the noble Baroness on her birthday today. I am afraid that I have to disappoint her. I am not prepared to press in the direction that she has suggested. My right honourable friend the Prime Minister has made it clear that he wishes the Speaker’s Conference to be concerned with issues to do with the decline in turnout. I do not think that it should be distracted by going down the cul-de-sac suggested by the noble Baroness.
Answered by
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath
(Labour)
Asked by
Baroness Thomas of Winchester
(Liberal Democrat)
Type
Oral answers to questions
My Lords, I thank the Minister for that encouraging reply. I am encouraged that the agenda has not yet been set entirely. Will he press for voting reform for Westminster to be included as a vital part of the conference? After all, the Prime Minister has said that he wants a national debate about strengthening our democracy. If voting reform is left out of the Speaker’s Conference it will be the elephant in the room.
Subjects
Electoral systems; Reform; Speaker's Conference on Parliamentary Representation
Date
15 October 2007
Reference
695 c526-7
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, is the noble Lord aware that the Speaker’s Conference of 1965 considered the single transferable vote on a motion put to it by me, but that the record of those proceedings is not in the Libraries of either House of Parliament? Would he cause inquiries to be made of libraries around the country so that at least those who are considering the matter currently would have the benefit of the 1965 considerations?
My Lords, is the noble Lord aware that the Speaker’s Conference of 1965 considered the single transferable vote on a motion put to it by me, but that the record of those proceedings is not in the Libraries of either House of Parliament? Would he cause inquiries to be made of libraries around the country so that at least those who are considering the matter currently would have the benefit of the 1965 considerations?
Asked by
Lord Avebury
(Liberal Democrat)
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
15 October 2007
My Lords, there will be queues outside the library at Kings Heath when we make sure that the information is available. I shall certainly take that point. My understanding is that at that Speaker’s Conference the Government accepted 60 of the 71 recommendations made.
Subjects
Electoral systems; Reform; Speaker's Conference on Parliamentary Representation
Date
15 October 2007
Reference
695 c528
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, if the Government are concerned about low voter turnout, does the Minister not consider that the Speaker’s Conference should address the problem that all political parties are encouraged to direct their resources to a small number of voters who are considered to be floating in a minority of constituencies that are deemed to be marginal, thereby excluding many voters from their attention during the campaign? If the Government are concerned about corruption within the electoral process, should they not be concerned that this system of concentrating on floating voters in marginal constituencies means that a very rich man—perhaps someone like the noble Lord, Lord Ashcroft—may consider that he can buy one, two or more constituencies in the same way that constituencies in rotten boroughs were purchased a few centuries ago?
My Lords, if the Government are concerned about low voter turnout, does the Minister not consider that the Speaker’s Conference should address the problem that all political parties are encouraged to direct their resources to a small number of voters who are considered to be floating in a minority of constituencies that are deemed to be marginal, thereby excluding many voters from their attention during the campaign? If the Government are concerned about corruption within the electoral process, should they not be concerned that this system of concentrating on floating voters in marginal constituencies means that a very rich man—perhaps someone like the noble Lord, Lord Ashcroft—may consider that he can buy one, two or more constituencies in the same way that constituencies in rotten boroughs were purchased a few centuries ago?
Asked by
Lord Rennard
(Liberal Democrat)
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
15 October 2007
My Lords, I can see why the noble Lord wants a change in the electoral system, but we should not be talking about party interest. The question is: what is the best interest for the public? I am sure that if the Speaker’s Conference looks at turnout, it will come through with some very interesting points. I have not seen hard evidence to suggest that a change in voting system would increase turnout. Further, one of the great advantages of the first past the post system is that it puts extremist parties at a great disadvantage. There is a close relationship between the Member of Parliament and the electorate. We would have to think very carefully before we went down the path that the noble Lord suggests.
Subjects
Electoral systems; Reform; Speaker's Conference on Parliamentary Representation
Date
15 October 2007
Reference
695 c528
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, I am tempted to ask the noble Lord exactly what voting system the Government would have liked for the election that they never called, but that might be unfair. Instead, I should like to ask another question. Rather than fiddling around with adjustments to the voting system, might the Government do some work to root out the corruption that has crept into the electoral system encouraged by their desperation to increase voting? As a result, all that they have done is increase the number of people voting who should not have voted at all.
My Lords, I am tempted to ask the noble Lord exactly what voting system the Government would have liked for the election that they never called, but that might be unfair. Instead, I should like to ask another question. Rather than fiddling around with adjustments to the voting system, might the Government do some work to root out the corruption that has crept into the electoral system encouraged by their desperation to increase voting? As a result, all that they have done is increase the number of people voting who should not have voted at all.
Asked by
Lord Henley
(Conservative)
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
15 October 2007
My Lords, the Government have taken significant steps in recent years to tighten up on the security of the electoral process. Those measures were established by the Electoral Administration Act 2006 and we will keep them under review. I have no doubt that in the reviews we have heard about today we will continue to make sure that the election system is as scrutinised and secure as possible.
Subjects
Electoral systems; Reform; Speaker's Conference on Parliamentary Representation
Date
15 October 2007
Reference
695 c527
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, I thank the Minister for that encouraging reply. I am encouraged that the agenda has not yet been set entirely. Will he press for voting reform for Westminster to be included as a vital part of the conference? After all, the Prime Minister has said that he wants a national debate about strengthening our democracy. If voting reform is left out of the Speaker’s Conference it will be the elephant in the room.
My Lords, I thank the Minister for that encouraging reply. I am encouraged that the agenda has not yet been set entirely. Will he press for voting reform for Westminster to be included as a vital part of the conference? After all, the Prime Minister has said that he wants a national debate about strengthening our democracy. If voting reform is left out of the Speaker’s Conference it will be the elephant in the room.
Asked by
Baroness Thomas of Winchester
(Liberal Democrat)
Oral questions - 1st Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
15 October 2007
My Lords, I first congratulate the noble Baroness on her birthday today. I am afraid that I have to disappoint her. I am not prepared to press in the direction that she has suggested. My right honourable friend the Prime Minister has made it clear that he wishes the Speaker’s Conference to be concerned with issues to do with the decline in turnout. I do not think that it should be distracted by going down the cul-de-sac suggested by the noble Baroness.
Subjects
Electoral systems; Reform; Speaker's Conference on Parliamentary Representation
Date
15 October 2007
Reference
695 c526-7
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, the terms of reference for the proposed Speaker’s Conference have not yet been agreed with the Speaker. It is anticipated that the review of voting systems will be completed by the end of this year, at which point Ministers will decide the next appropriate steps.
My Lords, the terms of reference for the proposed Speaker’s Conference have not yet been agreed with the Speaker. It is anticipated that the review of voting systems will be completed by the end of this year, at which point Ministers will decide the next appropriate steps.
Answered by
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath
(Labour)
Asked by
Baroness Thomas of Winchester
(Liberal Democrat)
Type
Oral answers to questions
Whether the proposed Speaker’s Conference will include consideration of the outcome of the review of voting systems.
Subjects
Electoral systems; Reform; Speaker's Conference on Parliamentary Representation
Date
15 October 2007
Reference
695 c526
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, the Government have taken significant steps in recent years to tighten up on the security of the electoral process. Those measures were established by the Electoral Administration Act 2006 and we will keep them under review. I have no doubt that in the reviews we have heard about today we will continue to make sure that the election system is as scrutinised and secure as possible.
My Lords, the Government have taken significant steps in recent years to tighten up on the security of the electoral process. Those measures were established by the Electoral Administration Act 2006 and we will keep them under review. I have no doubt that in the reviews we have heard about today we will continue to make sure that the election system is as scrutinised and secure as possible.
Answered by
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath
(Labour)
Asked by
Lord Henley
(Conservative)
Type
Oral answers to questions
My Lords, I am tempted to ask the noble Lord exactly what voting system the Government would have liked for the election that they never called, but that might be unfair. Instead, I should like to ask another question. Rather than fiddling around with adjustments to the voting system, might the Government do some work to root out the corruption that has crept into the electoral system encouraged by their desperation to increase voting? As a result, all that they have done is increase the number of people voting who should not have voted at all.
Subjects
Electoral systems; Reform; Speaker's Conference on Parliamentary Representation
Date
15 October 2007
Reference
695 c527
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, I can see why the noble Lord wants a change in the electoral system, but we should not be talking about party interest. The question is: what is the best interest for the public? I am sure that if the Speaker’s Conference looks at turnout, it will come through with some very interesting points. I have not seen hard evidence to suggest that a change in voting system would increase turnout. Further, one of the great advantages of the first past the post system is that it puts extremist parties at a great disadvantage. There is a close relationship between the Member of Parliament and the electorate. We would have to think very carefully before we went down the path that the noble Lord suggests.
My Lords, I can see why the noble Lord wants a change in the electoral system, but we should not be talking about party interest. The question is: what is the best interest for the public? I am sure that if the Speaker’s Conference looks at turnout, it will come through with some very interesting points. I have not seen hard evidence to suggest that a change in voting system would increase turnout. Further, one of the great advantages of the first past the post system is that it puts extremist parties at a great disadvantage. There is a close relationship between the Member of Parliament and the electorate. We would have to think very carefully before we went down the path that the noble Lord suggests.
Answered by
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath
(Labour)
Asked by
Lord Rennard
(Liberal Democrat)
Type
Oral answers to questions
My Lords, if the Government are concerned about low voter turnout, does the Minister not consider that the Speaker’s Conference should address the problem that all political parties are encouraged to direct their resources to a small number of voters who are considered to be floating in a minority of constituencies that are deemed to be marginal, thereby excluding many voters from their attention during the campaign? If the Government are concerned about corruption within the electoral process, should they not be concerned that this system of concentrating on floating voters in marginal constituencies means that a very rich man—perhaps someone like the noble Lord, Lord Ashcroft—may consider that he can buy one, two or more constituencies in the same way that constituencies in rotten boroughs were purchased a few centuries ago?
Subjects
Electoral systems; Reform; Speaker's Conference on Parliamentary Representation
Date
15 October 2007
Reference
695 c528
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, there will be queues outside the library at Kings Heath when we make sure that the information is available. I shall certainly take that point. My understanding is that at that Speaker’s Conference the Government accepted 60 of the 71 recommendations made.
My Lords, there will be queues outside the library at Kings Heath when we make sure that the information is available. I shall certainly take that point. My understanding is that at that Speaker’s Conference the Government accepted 60 of the 71 recommendations made.
Answered by
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath
(Labour)
Asked by
Lord Avebury
(Liberal Democrat)
Type
Oral answers to questions
My Lords, is the noble Lord aware that the Speaker’s Conference of 1965 considered the single transferable vote on a motion put to it by me, but that the record of those proceedings is not in the Libraries of either House of Parliament? Would he cause inquiries to be made of libraries around the country so that at least those who are considering the matter currently would have the benefit of the 1965 considerations?
Subjects
Electoral systems; Reform; Speaker's Conference on Parliamentary Representation
Date
15 October 2007
Reference
695 c528
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, I have a great deal of sympathy with what my noble friend has to say. However, the Scottish system cannot be so bad given that it managed to elect him.
My Lords, I have a great deal of sympathy with what my noble friend has to say. However, the Scottish system cannot be so bad given that it managed to elect him.
Answered by
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath
(Labour)
Asked by
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock
(Labour)
Type
Oral answers to questions
My Lords, I thank my noble friend for not giving a birthday present to the noble Baroness. I tell my noble friend, the noble Baroness and her colleagues that the introduction of proportional representation in Scotland has been an absolute tragedy. We have seen chaos, confusion and cuts. At local government level, we see the Liberal Democrats in an unholy alliance with the Scottish National Party. Will my noble friend assure us that, because of this experience, we will stick to the tried and tested system of first past the post, which has given us stability in this country for decades and centuries?
Subjects
Electoral systems; Reform; Speaker's Conference on Parliamentary Representation
Date
15 October 2007
Reference
695 c527
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, the Gould review is undertaking a look at the experience of the elections in Scotland. My understanding is that it is due for publication shortly, but I do not have a definitive date. I am sure that it will prove of great interest to all of us.
My Lords, the Gould review is undertaking a look at the experience of the elections in Scotland. My understanding is that it is due for publication shortly, but I do not have a definitive date. I am sure that it will prove of great interest to all of us.
Answered by
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath
(Labour)
Asked by
Lord Naseby
(Conservative)
Type
Oral answers to questions
My Lords, will the Speaker’s Conference be able to look at the review of the Scottish elections? This House was promised that the reports on those elections would be available during the Recess but, as of last Thursday, they did not appear to be available to anyone.
Subjects
Electoral systems; Reform; Speaker's Conference on Parliamentary Representation
Date
15 October 2007
Reference
695 c527
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
My Lords, there are as many ideas about electoral systems as there are about reform of your Lordships' House. The White Paper that led to the votes in the House and the other place in the spring discussed voting systems. I assure the noble Lord that, as we take forward discussions on reform of your Lordships' House, the question of which voting system is to be adopted will be given careful consideration.
My Lords, there are as many ideas about electoral systems as there are about reform of your Lordships' House. The White Paper that led to the votes in the House and the other place in the spring discussed voting systems. I assure the noble Lord that, as we take forward discussions on reform of your Lordships' House, the question of which voting system is to be adopted will be given careful consideration.
Answered by
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath
(Labour)
Asked by
Viscount Montgomery of Alamein
(Crossbench)
Type
Oral answers to questions
My Lords, has the Minister given—and will the Speaker’s Conference give—any thought to how elections to this House might take place?
Subjects
Electoral systems; Reform; Speaker's Conference on Parliamentary Representation
Date
15 October 2007
Reference
695 c528
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
Whether the proposed Speaker’s Conference will include consideration of the outcome of the review of voting systems.
Whether the proposed Speaker’s Conference will include consideration of the outcome of the review of voting systems.
Asked by
Baroness Thomas of Winchester
(Liberal Democrat)
Answered by
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath
(Labour)
Oral questions - Lead
Status
Answered
For answer on
15 October 2007
Answered on
15 October 2007
My Lords, the terms of reference for the proposed Speaker’s Conference have not yet been agreed with the Speaker. It is anticipated that the review of voting systems will be completed by the end of this year, at which point Ministers will decide the next appropriate steps.
Subjects
Electoral systems; Reform; Speaker's Conference on Parliamentary Representation
Date
15 October 2007
Reference
695 c526
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
House
House of Lords
To ask the Secretary of State for Justice when the Government will publish its review of electoral systems in use in the United Kingdom; and if he will make a statement.
To ask the Secretary of State for Justice when the Government will publish its review of electoral systems in use in the United Kingdom; and if he will make a statement.
Asked by
David Heath
(Liberal Democrat)
Answered by
Lord Wills
(Labour)
Answering body
Ministry of Justice
Type
Written questions
Status
Answered
Tabled on
10 September 2007
For answer on
17 September 2007
Answered on
17 September 2007
It is anticipated that the review of voting systems will be completed by the end of the year.
Subjects
Electoral systems
Date
17 September 2007
Reference
155490; 463 c2251W
House
House of Commons
The additional Member system was introduced, for the Welsh Assembly elections, the Scottish Parliament elections, and elections to the Greater London Authority, by Parliament at the initiative of the Government in 1999. It includes the D’Hondt system of alternative counting, on which I have made myself an expert in advance of the hon. Gentleman’s question, but the commission takes the view that it would not be appropriate for it to make an assessment of the merits of different electoral systems. It believes that that is Parliament’s role.
The additional Member system was introduced, for the Welsh Assembly elections, the Scottish Parliament elections, and elections to the Greater London Authority, by Parliament at the initiative of the Government in 1999. It includes the D’Hondt system of alternative counting, on which I have made myself an expert in advance of the hon. Gentleman’s question, but the commission takes the view that it would not be appropriate for it to make an assessment of the merits of different electoral systems. It believes that that is Parliament’s role.
Answered by
Peter Viggers
(Conservative)
Asked by
Ian Lucas
(Labour)
Answering body
Speaker's Committee on the Electoral Commission
Type
Oral answers to questions
That is very unfortunate, because when I cast my vote for the Labour party in the north Wales regional list at the National Assembly elections, that vote has no consequence, as it is not counted; it does not result in the meaningful casting of a vote on my part. It is irrelevant for me to take the action of voting, and in my view the commission should look at the issue to decide whether there is a disincentive for individuals to vote. Is not that exactly what the Electoral Commission should look at?
Subjects
Electoral systems; Proportional representation; Scotland; Wales
Date
23 July 2007
Reference
463 c561-2
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
House
House of Commons