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To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department, how many people have been extradited from the UK to countries that continue to operate the death penalty in each of the last five years.

Asked by
Jo Stevens (Labour)
Answering body
Home Office
Type
Written questions
Status
Answered
Date
9 May 2019
Reference
250505
House
House of Commons

None of us can forget the horrendous scenes of the Rwandan genocide 25 years ago. My colleague the Minister for Africa visited Rwanda only this week to share in the international recognition and remembrance of those horrific events.

I can confirm that the Metropolitan police’s war crimes unit, within the counter-terrorism...

Member
Ben Wallace (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 April 2019
Reference
658 c181
House
House of Commons

My right hon. Friend is a strong supporter of Rwanda and knows the country incredibly well. I respect many of his views on the country and on the need for action, but I have to say that I fundamentally disagree with his last point. The United Kingdom has not shielded...

Member
Ben Wallace (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 April 2019
Reference
658 c182
House
House of Commons

I can give the hon. Gentleman that reassurance. At the beginning of this year, I got an update from the counter-terrorism police about the conduct of any investigations relating to people from Rwanda. In fact, I briefed my right hon. Friend the Member for Sutton Coldfield (Mr Mitchell) on that...

Member
Ben Wallace (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 April 2019
Reference
658 c183
House
House of Commons

If my right hon. Friend has a problem with the judiciary, I suggest he takes that up with the Lord Chief Justice. We have to respect the ruling of the High Court, which took the view in July 2017 that these people would not face a fair trial if extradited....

Member
Ben Wallace (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 April 2019
Reference
658 c183
House
House of Commons

I can assure the hon. Gentleman that I meet the head of counter-terrorism policing at least once a week, and we discuss a wide range of issues. If there is an issue with resource pressure in this particular case, or in other cases, we will no doubt discuss it and...

Member
Ben Wallace (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 April 2019
Reference
658 c184
House
House of Commons

Well, I am not going to comment on that, but it is very clear that successive Governments have tried to extradite these people to face justice in Rwanda. The courts took a different view. We then stepped up to the plate, and the police, in an operational decision, had to...

Member
Ben Wallace (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 April 2019
Reference
658 c184
House
House of Commons

I can give the right hon. Gentleman that assurance. When it comes to war crimes, under our obligations in the convention there is no barrier at all.

Member
Ben Wallace (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 April 2019
Reference
658 c184
House
House of Commons

It is our view—it was the Government’s view—and that is why we contested the case. Unfortunately, it was not the view of the UK courts.

Member
Ben Wallace (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 April 2019
Reference
658 c185
House
House of Commons

The hon. Gentleman will have heard me say that it was not until 2017 that we started the investigation here at the request of the Rwandans, so it is not that we have not been doing it for 20-odd years. If there is a requirement for resources, that will be...

Member
Ben Wallace (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 April 2019
Reference
658 c185
House
House of Commons

I hear what my hon. Friend says, and I understand that not only victims but supporters of the country want this matter to be closed and justice to be administered to the people responsible for the genocide. However, a police investigation is a matter for the police. How they conduct...

Member
Ben Wallace (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 April 2019
Reference
658 c185
House
House of Commons

While I recognise the understandable impatience of many colleagues on these particular cases, we should not lose sight of the fact that the United Kingdom, under successive Governments, has been a proud supporter of administering justice for war crimes around the world—in Bosnia, the former Yugoslavia, in Rwanda and other...

Member
Ben Wallace (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 April 2019
Reference
658 c186
House
House of Commons

I agree with my hon. Friend that we need to send a strong message. I do not like, any more than he does, seeing in the newspapers that people are living freely in this country having had their extradition effectively turned down, which is why I would like to see,...

Member
Ben Wallace (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 April 2019
Reference
658 c186
House
House of Commons

The right hon. Gentleman knows full well that if the police require more money, for this or any other issue, they can come to the Home Office—either they internally prioritise or they come to us to see what we can do. We stand ready to do that. I know from...

Member
Ben Wallace (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 April 2019
Reference
658 c186
House
House of Commons

My hon. Friend may like to reflect that some of the terrorist trials we are awaiting here in the United Kingdom have taken years. They take a long time. In cases that stretch across countries, it is often highly complex to get evidence that reaches the evidential bar in order...

Member
Ben Wallace (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 April 2019
Reference
658 c187
House
House of Commons

On the hon. Lady’s last question, of course I can update the House on the progress of war crimes investigations in general, and maybe specifically around Rwanda, but not on individual cases—I cannot come to the House on those cases, one by one. I spoke earlier about commenting on live...

Member
Ben Wallace (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 April 2019
Reference
658 cc187-8
House
House of Commons

My hon. Friend makes a good point. The Africa Minister visited Rwanda not only to remember the horrors of the genocide and to say, “You are not forgotten,” but to continue to commit Britain’s support for that country and the amazing progress it has made since 1994.

Member
Ben Wallace (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 April 2019
Reference
658 c188
House
House of Commons

I hope the right hon. Lady does not think that because I have upheld the rule of law about the courts, there is no urgency. I would like to see those people off our streets. I do not want war criminals walking around this country. I do not want them...

Member
Ben Wallace (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 April 2019
Reference
658 c188
House
House of Commons

My hon. Friend knows better than anybody else about the judiciary and its relationship with the Executive. I absolutely understand the importance of urgency when it comes to evidence. It is important that we produce trials that are successful. All I can say is what I have said to many...

Member
Ben Wallace (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 April 2019
Reference
658 c189
House
House of Commons

The hon. Gentleman will have heard my earlier answers. As the police progress whatever cases they have, we stand ready to support them. Subject to the complexities and the courts, I hope we will see prosecutions sooner rather than later.

Member
Ben Wallace (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
9 April 2019
Reference
658 c189
House
House of Commons