rose to move, as an amendment to the Motion, leave out from ““House”” to end and insert ““do insist on its Amendments 17, 21 and 22””. The noble Lord said: My Lords, the charm and diplomacy of the Minister is greatly appreciated; but, I fear, as far as I am...

rose to move, as an amendment to the Motion, leave out from ““House”” to end and insert ““do insist on its Amendments 17, 21 and 22””. The noble Lord said: My Lords, the charm and diplomacy of the Minister is greatly appreciated; but, I fear, as far as I am...

My Lords, I am most grateful to the Minister for responding in his characteristically generous way. He demonstrated the difference between us in a very short phrase, when he referred to ““unjustifiable detriment””. We believe that the key to making retrospectivity acceptable in this case is that there should be...

My Lords, I am most grateful to the Minister for responding in his characteristically generous way. He demonstrated the difference between us in a very short phrase, when he referred to ““unjustifiable detriment””. We believe that the key to making retrospectivity acceptable in this case is that there should be...

Government of Wales Bill. Lords Third reading and debate on amendments. Motion that Bill do now pass agreed to on question. Passed and returned to Commons with amendments.

Government of Wales Bill. Lords Third reading and debate on amendments. Motion that Bill do now pass agreed to on question. Passed and returned to Commons with amendments.

My Lords, first I must say how much I have enjoyed working with the Minister throughout this Bill. He has always set out, in the speeches that he has made, a spirited defence of the Government’s position. However, in this case, far from reassuring me, he has confirmed my worst...

My Lords, first I must say how much I have enjoyed working with the Minister throughout this Bill. He has always set out, in the speeches that he has made, a spirited defence of the Government’s position. However, in this case, far from reassuring me, he has confirmed my worst...

moved Amendment No. 1: Page 22, line 34, at end insert- ““( ) Subsection (3) does not apply to any matter under section 85(1).”” The noble Lord said: My Lords, I would like, in the context of the amendment, to thank the noble Lord, Lord Davies of Oldham, very much...

moved Amendment No. 1: Page 22, line 34, at end insert- ““( ) Subsection (3) does not apply to any matter under section 85(1).”” The noble Lord said: My Lords, I would like, in the context of the amendment, to thank the noble Lord, Lord Davies of Oldham, very much...

moved Amendment No. 4: Page 52, line 22, at end insert ““, provided that such an Order is not to the detriment of those who have either benefited from or acted in reliance upon the state of the law before the retrospective Order is made”” The noble Lord said: My...

moved Amendment No. 4: Page 52, line 22, at end insert ““, provided that such an Order is not to the detriment of those who have either benefited from or acted in reliance upon the state of the law before the retrospective Order is made”” The noble Lord said: My...

My Lords, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. Clause 46 [The First Minister]:

My Lords, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. Clause 46 [The First Minister]:

My Lords, there is uncertainty about the matter. I emphasise again that this is a probing amendment; because I was not sure myself what the answer was to the problem that it sought to pose to the Government. However, there has been sufficient uncertainty about the exchanges between the government Benches and...

My Lords, there is uncertainty about the matter. I emphasise again that this is a probing amendment; because I was not sure myself what the answer was to the problem that it sought to pose to the Government. However, there has been sufficient uncertainty about the exchanges between the government Benches and...

moved Amendment No. 25:"Page 23, line 28, at end insert—" ““(   )   Subsection (3) does not apply to any matter under section 84(1).”” The noble Lord said: My Lords, I apologise to the Minister for not tabling this amendment in Committee. The truth is that I had not thought about it at Committee stage. It is a problem...

moved Amendment No. 25:"Page 23, line 28, at end insert—" ““(   )   Subsection (3) does not apply to any matter under section 84(1).”” The noble Lord said: My Lords, I apologise to the Minister for not tabling this amendment in Committee. The truth is that I had not thought about it at Committee stage. It is a problem...

My Lords, there is the more general point that arises under Clause 84, to which I referred in my opening remarks. I would be most grateful if the Minister would reflect on this between now and Third Reading. In the mean while, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

My Lords, there is the more general point that arises under Clause 84, to which I referred in my opening remarks. I would be most grateful if the Minister would reflect on this between now and Third Reading. In the mean while, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

My Lords, I think the House is entitled to conclude that if the noble Baroness cannot give your Lordships a reason for the distinction, then the distinction is a mindless distinction. In those circumstances, I find that the Minister’s response adds fuel to my determination to seek the opinion of your Lordships’...

My Lords, I think the House is entitled to conclude that if the noble Baroness cannot give your Lordships a reason for the distinction, then the distinction is a mindless distinction. In those circumstances, I find that the Minister’s response adds fuel to my determination to seek the opinion of your Lordships’...

My Lords, to say so does great credit to the noble Baroness.

My Lords, to say so does great credit to the noble Baroness.

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness for responding in that way; even though what she said was wholly unacceptable to this side of the House. She did not address the question of the difference in standard between proposed new Sections 71L(1)(b) and 71T(5). Why is there a different...

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness for responding in that way; even though what she said was wholly unacceptable to this side of the House. She did not address the question of the difference in standard between proposed new Sections 71L(1)(b) and 71T(5). Why is there a different...

moved Amendment No. 27:"Page 65, line 39, leave out ““ought reasonably to have known”” and insert ““was reckless as to whether or not he knew””" The noble Lord said: My Lords, having raised the question of negligent treasurers during my intervention to express my support for the Government on the previous amendment, I now...

moved Amendment No. 27:"Page 65, line 39, leave out ““ought reasonably to have known”” and insert ““was reckless as to whether or not he knew””" The noble Lord said: My Lords, having raised the question of negligent treasurers during my intervention to express my support for the Government on the previous amendment, I now...

My Lords, I entirely understand the concern of the noble Lord, Lord Goodhart. On the other hand, I say respectfully to the Minister that the Government have got this matter absolutely right, particularly when one considers that the obligation on a treasurer is such that he will be criminally liable if he is...

My Lords, I entirely understand the concern of the noble Lord, Lord Goodhart. On the other hand, I say respectfully to the Minister that the Government have got this matter absolutely right, particularly when one considers that the obligation on a treasurer is such that he will be criminally liable if he is...

My Lords, I am most grateful for that correction. The obligation to repay them would be immediate but the actual repayment would, indeed, be over a period of time. I am most grateful to the noble Lord and, of course, I stand corrected. I find myself in agreement with the remarks of the noble and...

My Lords, I am most grateful for that correction. The obligation to repay them would be immediate but the actual repayment would, indeed, be over a period of time. I am most grateful to the noble Lord and, of course, I stand corrected. I find myself in agreement with the remarks of the noble and...

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Goodhart, and I often find ourselves in harmony on many of his amendments. However, on this occasion, I find myself a dissenting voice. The amendment, as I understand it, would result in existing loans, deemed illegal after the Act, having to be repaid immediately.

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Goodhart, and I often find ourselves in harmony on many of his amendments. However, on this occasion, I find myself a dissenting voice. The amendment, as I understand it, would result in existing loans, deemed illegal after the Act, having to be repaid immediately.

moved Amendment No. 109:"Page 66, line 25, at end insert—" ““(   )   Where interest is rolled up under such a transaction, this does not constitute a new regulated transaction for the purposes of this Part.”” The noble Lord said: My Lords, this amendment was also intended to extract from the Government a view of the...

moved Amendment No. 109:"Page 66, line 25, at end insert—" ““(   )   Where interest is rolled up under such a transaction, this does not constitute a new regulated transaction for the purposes of this Part.”” The noble Lord said: My Lords, this amendment was also intended to extract from the Government a view of the...

moved Amendment No. 107:"Page 65, line 29, at end insert ““, save that where that person is a bank incorporated in another member state, that company need not carry on business in the United Kingdom””" The noble Lord said: My Lords, this is an amendment to Clause 71H(3) of the Bill. The clause deals...

moved Amendment No. 107:"Page 65, line 29, at end insert ““, save that where that person is a bank incorporated in another member state, that company need not carry on business in the United Kingdom””" The noble Lord said: My Lords, this is an amendment to Clause 71H(3) of the Bill. The clause deals...

My Lords, I am most grateful to the noble Baroness for clarifying the Government’s position. She suggested two reasons why the text of the Bill is sound: first, that a loan transaction between a registered party and a bank located not in the United Kingdom but in some other part of...

My Lords, I am most grateful to the noble Baroness for clarifying the Government’s position. She suggested two reasons why the text of the Bill is sound: first, that a loan transaction between a registered party and a bank located not in the United Kingdom but in some other part of...