My Lords, it is not just 175,000 arrest records of people arrested and released without charge, is it? My noble friend Lord Paddick told us just how many offence and person records have also gone missing. Can the Minister tell us how many of these were under live investigation?

My Lords, it is not just 175,000 arrest records of people arrested and released without charge, is it? My noble friend Lord Paddick told us just how many offence and person records have also gone missing. Can the Minister tell us how many of these were under live investigation?

My Lords, I too will be extremely brief. For many years, I have helped, supported and encouraged the British Transport Police and I remember very well the Act that went through and the concerns that we had then about what would happen if the BTP were joined with Police Scotland....

My Lords, I too will be extremely brief. For many years, I have helped, supported and encouraged the British Transport Police and I remember very well the Act that went through and the concerns that we had then about what would happen if the BTP were joined with Police Scotland....

The noble Baroness makes a good point and I concur with what she says. I predict that this will go horribly wrong at some point and that is a real shame. I hope that the noble Lord has listened very carefully to the views that have been clearly expressed around...

The noble Baroness makes a good point and I concur with what she says. I predict that this will go horribly wrong at some point and that is a real shame. I hope that the noble Lord has listened very carefully to the views that have been clearly expressed around...

My Lords, I, too, thank the Minister for repeating this Statement, which does not seem to take us much further down the road from the events of last week. That is a little disappointing. There have been relationship breakdowns between power-sharing parties on and off now for a number of...

My Lords, I, too, thank the Minister for repeating this Statement, which does not seem to take us much further down the road from the events of last week. That is a little disappointing. There have been relationship breakdowns between power-sharing parties on and off now for a number of...

I again thank the Minister for his considered response, which is exactly what I expected. As we have gone through Clause 10, it has felt as though we have been flogging a dead horse. Nevertheless, I have great concerns, which have been echoed across the Committee. The Minister referred to...

I again thank the Minister for his considered response, which is exactly what I expected. As we have gone through Clause 10, it has felt as though we have been flogging a dead horse. Nevertheless, I have great concerns, which have been echoed across the Committee. The Minister referred to...

I am grateful for the support from the Conservative Benches. I thank the Minister for his response, which has been of a general nature. Perhaps much more debate is needed around the area of taking fingerprints and samples that are kept even if a person is not charged. The Minister...

I am grateful for the support from the Conservative Benches. I thank the Minister for his response, which has been of a general nature. Perhaps much more debate is needed around the area of taking fingerprints and samples that are kept even if a person is not charged. The Minister...

Clause 10 deals with the taking of fingerprints and non-intimate samples from those subject to control orders. As my noble friend Lady Miller of Chilthorne Domer said on Amendment No. 14, these are people who have not been through a process of law. The need to legislate specifically to allow...

Clause 10 deals with the taking of fingerprints and non-intimate samples from those subject to control orders. As my noble friend Lady Miller of Chilthorne Domer said on Amendment No. 14, these are people who have not been through a process of law. The need to legislate specifically to allow...

moved Amendment No. 15: 15: Clause 10, page 7, line 5, after ““constable”” insert ““, with the authority of an officer of a rank no lower than inspector,”” The noble Baroness said: This group of amendments is intended to be probing. Clause 11 deals with the power to take fingerprints...

moved Amendment No. 15: 15: Clause 10, page 7, line 5, after ““constable”” insert ““, with the authority of an officer of a rank no lower than inspector,”” The noble Baroness said: This group of amendments is intended to be probing. Clause 11 deals with the power to take fingerprints...

moved Amendment No. 17: 17: Clause 10, page 7, line 22, leave out subsection (4) The noble Baroness said: I shall speak also to Amendment No. 20. Clauses 10 and 12 deal with the power to take fingerprints and samples. I have great difficulties with Clause 10(4) and Clause 12(5),...

moved Amendment No. 17: 17: Clause 10, page 7, line 22, leave out subsection (4) The noble Baroness said: I shall speak also to Amendment No. 20. Clauses 10 and 12 deal with the power to take fingerprints and samples. I have great difficulties with Clause 10(4) and Clause 12(5),...

I am grateful to the Minister for clarifying that position. If the clause was intended to regularise issues, perhaps we should all have been in the same boat and not had a different provision for Scotland. However, I understand the differences that he has explained for me. I will not...

I am grateful to the Minister for clarifying that position. If the clause was intended to regularise issues, perhaps we should all have been in the same boat and not had a different provision for Scotland. However, I understand the differences that he has explained for me. I will not...

Once again, I am very grateful to the Minister. It is important to have that in Hansard to clarify the situation. I thank him very much and beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

Once again, I am very grateful to the Minister. It is important to have that in Hansard to clarify the situation. I thank him very much and beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

I want to put on record, on behalf of my noble friend Lord Lester of Herne Hill who is unable to be in his place, the fact that we on these Benches very much support these amendments.

I want to put on record, on behalf of my noble friend Lord Lester of Herne Hill who is unable to be in his place, the fact that we on these Benches very much support these amendments.

I am grateful to the noble Lord for his care in how he dealt with the amendment and for what he has put on record. That will go a long way in countering some of the concerns expressed. To have responses on record is a valuable way of ensuring that...

I am grateful to the noble Lord for his care in how he dealt with the amendment and for what he has put on record. That will go a long way in countering some of the concerns expressed. To have responses on record is a valuable way of ensuring that...

moved Amendment No. 25: 25: Clause 19, page 15, line 30, at end insert— ““( ) Nothing in this section shall require a person to disclose information to any of the intelligence services for any purpose.”” The noble Baroness said: This is simply a probing amendment to allow the Minister...

moved Amendment No. 25: 25: Clause 19, page 15, line 30, at end insert— ““( ) Nothing in this section shall require a person to disclose information to any of the intelligence services for any purpose.”” The noble Baroness said: This is simply a probing amendment to allow the Minister...

I strongly support the amendment. In fact, over the many years that I have been dealing with police issues, I have always asked for the office to be of a higher rank than the Government have proposed. I have failed every time to get the Government to accept that, so...

I strongly support the amendment. In fact, over the many years that I have been dealing with police issues, I have always asked for the office to be of a higher rank than the Government have proposed. I have failed every time to get the Government to accept that, so...

moved Amendment No. 24: 24: Clause 19, page 15, line 25, leave out paragraphs (a) and (b) and insert ““any contractual or other obligation owed by the person making the disclosure, other than a breach of confidence.”” The noble Baroness said: The amendment would retain confidence breach as a potential...

moved Amendment No. 24: 24: Clause 19, page 15, line 25, leave out paragraphs (a) and (b) and insert ““any contractual or other obligation owed by the person making the disclosure, other than a breach of confidence.”” The noble Baroness said: The amendment would retain confidence breach as a potential...

moved Amendment No. 3: 3: Clause 1, page 2, line 8, after ““may,”” insert ““if he has reasonable grounds for believing that a document may be seized and”” The noble Baroness said: We feel a reasonableness test is appropriate here. There appears to be a blanket power for a constable...

moved Amendment No. 3: 3: Clause 1, page 2, line 8, after ““may,”” insert ““if he has reasonable grounds for believing that a document may be seized and”” The noble Baroness said: We feel a reasonableness test is appropriate here. There appears to be a blanket power for a constable...

I am most grateful to all noble Lords who have taken part in this mini debate on an important issue. The Minister said that there is no intention to have fishing expeditions. That is the intention. Intentions may be good, but they may also work in other ways. These powers...

I am most grateful to all noble Lords who have taken part in this mini debate on an important issue. The Minister said that there is no intention to have fishing expeditions. That is the intention. Intentions may be good, but they may also work in other ways. These powers...

It does to an extent and I am grateful to the noble Lord for responding in that way and to the noble Baroness, Lady Hanham, for her support. We might need to look at this further in the light of what the Minister has said. I shall withdraw the amendment...

It does to an extent and I am grateful to the noble Lord for responding in that way and to the noble Baroness, Lady Hanham, for her support. We might need to look at this further in the light of what the Minister has said. I shall withdraw the amendment...