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Terrorism Bill. Third reading debate. Agreed to on question. Passed

Lead member
Charles Clarke
Answering member
Dominic Grieve
Department
Home Office
Type
Debates on bills
Date
10 November 2005
Reference
439 c492-553
House
House of Commons

Sometimes failure to understand is the hon. Gentleman’s characteristic. As I sought to explain in the House yesterday, the Government’s amendment for 90 days included a sunset clause for a clear reason. It was that there should be an opportunity for the House to reconsider the situation after a year’s...

Member
Charles Clarke (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 November 2005
Reference
439 c495
House
House of Commons

I am certain that my hon. Friend is accurately reflecting the views of his constituents who have been in touch with him. It is always open to the Government to bring back further proposals if we wish to do so. I will shortly make a comment about that process. It...

Member
Charles Clarke (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 November 2005
Reference
439 c496-7
House
House of Commons

I accept your guidance, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and will operate accordingly.

Member
Charles Clarke (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 November 2005
Reference
439 c496
House
House of Commons

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman.

Member
Charles Clarke (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 November 2005
Reference
439 c497
House
House of Commons

I am grateful for that comment. It is the case that all recent tests of opinion, as well as the feedback that I have received informally from a large number of colleagues in the House, reflect my hon. Friend’s experience in his constituency. I know that he has always been...

Member
Charles Clarke (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 November 2005
Reference
439 c494
House
House of Commons

You will need to advise me, Mr. Deputy Speaker, as to whether or not the phrase ““ne’er-do-well”” is a parliamentary expression. I am genuinely not sure, so I have to be careful about using it or not using it. It is true that I used the phrase outside the House...

Member
Charles Clarke (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 November 2005
Reference
439 c494
House
House of Commons

I am sorry that the hon. Gentleman reheats yesterday’s discussion. I reject entirely the idea that our proposals can be called internment by any other name. That is quite wrong. He should consider the issue carefully in the light of the possibility—he may reject it, but it is real—that there...

Member
Charles Clarke (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 November 2005
Reference
439 c493
House
House of Commons

To be frank, I accept what my hon. Friend says in his personal case. That is true. He has a long and distinguished record of combating terrorism in a variety of ways and has consistently argued for that. He has a different view of the appropriateness of the length of...

Member
Charles Clarke (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 November 2005
Reference
439 c494
House
House of Commons

The purpose is to gather evidence, rather than to change that aspect of the situation, but my hon. Friend is right. One aspect of that report that concerns me is the small number of practices that deal with such cases, which creates massive delays in the legal process, quite properly...

Member
Charles Clarke (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 November 2005
Reference
439 c499
House
House of Commons

All the numbers that the hon. Gentleman mentioned are small numbers. I can tell him some large numbers, if he is interested—a googol, for example.

Member
Charles Clarke (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 November 2005
Reference
439 c500
House
House of Commons

I am not a lawyer, but one thing I have learned in this job is not necessarily to accept the advice of Gareth Peirce on anything.

Member
Charles Clarke (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 November 2005
Reference
439 c499
House
House of Commons

No, I did not, but again, I am delighted that the readership of The Guardian now encompasses large numbers of Opposition Members. That is a major development. The hon. Member for Chesham and Amersham (Mrs. Gillan) says from a sedentary position that she can read. I am delighted that in...

Member
Charles Clarke (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 November 2005
Reference
439 c500
House
House of Commons

Indeed. We are talking about a small number, but by definition we cannot be precise about it because by definition we do not know which terrorist conspiracies we will be able to stop and put through that process or not. But we are talking about a small number, and that...

Member
Charles Clarke (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 November 2005
Reference
439 c500
House
House of Commons

I have already dealt with the hon. Gentleman’s second point. On his first point, I am grateful for his party’s general support of this approach. It is always difficult debating with Liberal Democrats, but I look forward to a proper engagement in a serious way with the individuals concerned.

Member
Charles Clarke (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 November 2005
Reference
439 c497-8
House
House of Commons

I have given that assurance and I am happy to repeat it. It is obviously important that such reports are matters that inform debate on the law, and that is precisely what is intended.

Member
Charles Clarke (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 November 2005
Reference
439 c498
House
House of Commons

My hon. Friend, with his experience, puts his finger precisely on the issue that we are considering. There are attractions in that route, as I have indicated. There are also some significant wider implications for the way in which the legal system, and particularly the bail system, operates, that we...

Member
Charles Clarke (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 November 2005
Reference
439 c498
House
House of Commons

I appreciate the hon. Gentleman’s personal commitment. One of the exciting revelations for me through the entire debate has been the transformation of a number of Conservatives into freedom fighters throughout the world, which is genuinely entertaining to some of us who have been involved in these matters in various...

Member
Charles Clarke (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 November 2005
Reference
439 c498-9
House
House of Commons

I am overwhelmingly delighted that those on the Opposition Front Bench are listening to the advice of the police on these matters. I wish that that would happen more generally in addressing the issues that we have to face. On the particular point that the hon. Gentleman makes, I said...

Member
Charles Clarke (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 November 2005
Reference
439 c499
House
House of Commons

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time. It is only a little over two weeks since the Bill had its Second Reading, but I do not think that anyone could claim that it has not been subject to proper scrutiny, both in the House...

Member
Charles Clarke (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
10 November 2005
Reference
439 c492-3
House
House of Commons