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My Lords, we begin once again with the question of safety. I am grateful to colleagues across the House for their constructive engagement on this issue. The Government’s position remains that the safety standard is best articulated in statutory guidance, with the benefit of consultation. This is the most appropriate...

Member
Lord Davies of Gower (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 February 2024
Reference
835 cc1567-8
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Lord Davies of Gower

3: Clause 2, page 2, line 16, after “that” insert “—

(a) authorised automated vehicles will achieve a level of safety equivalent to, or higher than, that of careful and competent human drivers, and

Member’s explanatory statement

This amendment embodies the standard of a careful and competent driver in...

Member
Lord Davies of Gower (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 February 2024
Reference
835 c1569
House
House of Lords

My Lords, this group covers the general functioning and underlying mechanics of the regulatory framework. It includes government Amendments 11, 25 and 26, which correct minor and technical drafting issues. It also includes government Amendment 33, which applies the affirmative procedure to regulations setting the maximum penalties that can be...

Member
Lord Davies of Gower (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 February 2024
Reference
835 cc1573-4
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Lord Davies of Gower

6: Clause 2, page 2, line 20, at end insert—

“(3A) Those organisations must include organisations appearing to the Secretary of State to represent—

(a) the interests of businesses involved, or likely to be involved, in the manufacture or operation of mechanically propelled road vehicles designed to travel...

Member
Lord Davies of Gower (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 February 2024
Reference
835 c1575
House
House of Lords

My Lords, perhaps I might add a word for the very large number of people who are not in wheelchairs but who depend, like I do, on a stick. When pavements are so awful in this country, they need a lot of consideration. They walk around at their peril, often...

Member
Lord Bradshaw (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 February 2024
Reference
835 c1580
House
House of Lords

I thank noble Lords for their contributions to this debate, particularly those who joined me for a detailed discussion following Committee.

The Government want all parts of society, including those with disabilities, to be able to reap the benefits of self-driving technology; I see no disagreement between us on that point....

Member
Lord Davies of Gower (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 February 2024
Reference
835 cc1582-3
House
House of Lords

That is not actually what is happening in the marketplace. General Motors has developed the Wayve vehicle, which is now being used in San Francisco. If the regulation is there, the market is already ready and large companies such as General Motors are already making the provision.

Member
Lord Scriven (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 February 2024
Reference
835 c1583
House
House of Lords

I hear what the noble Lord says and am not going to argue with him on that at this point. Where there are overlaps between safety and accessibility, for example in the training of human detection systems, these will be addressed as part of the statement of safety principles. Beyond...

Member
Lord Davies of Gower (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 February 2024
Reference
835 cc1583-4
House
House of Lords

I am very grateful to the noble Lord for taking the time to meet me yesterday to discuss these issues in more detail. I absolutely agree with him on the importance of independent input into the system, and I have already touched on where the Government see these key functions...

Member
Lord Davies of Gower (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 February 2024
Reference
835 cc1588-9
House
House of Lords

I am not sure that I completely understand, so I am unable to give an answer. As far as I understand, it still exists.

Member
Lord Davies of Gower (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 February 2024
Reference
835 c1589
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Lord Davies of Gower

11: Clause 42, page 29, line 3, leave out from “liable” to end of line 4 and insert “—

(a) on summary conviction in England and Wales, to a fine;

(b) on summary conviction in Scotland, to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum;

(c) on conviction on indictment,...

Member
Lord Davies of Gower (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 February 2024
Reference
835 c1590
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Lord Davies of Gower

25: Clause 88, page 62, line 1, leave out “Secretary of State” and insert “appropriate national authority”

Member’s explanatory statement

This amendment corrects a drafting mistake, enabling the devolved administrations to make regulations about information-sharing in relation to passenger services within their competence.

26: Clause 88, page 62, line...

Member
Lord Davies of Gower (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 February 2024
Reference
835 c1591
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Lord Liddle

28: After Clause 93, insert the following new Clause—

“Advisory Council

(1) Within six months of the passing of this Act the Secretary of State must establish a council to advise on the implementation of this Act, and the roll out of self-driving vehicles.

(2) The Advisory Council must include organisations...

Member
Lord Liddle (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 February 2024
Reference
835 cc1591-2
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I beg to move Amendment 28 on the establishment of a statutory advisory council, which would enable better progress with self-driving vehicles and automated vehicles than not having it. I would like to test the opinion of the House.

Member
Lord Liddle (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 February 2024
Reference
835 c1592
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted

29: Clause 95, page 68, line 33, leave out “does” and insert “must”

Member’s explanatory statement

This amendment seeks to change a presumption that a provision relating to information disclosure does not contravene data protection legislation into an active requirement that it should not.

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Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 February 2024
Reference
835 c1592
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I have tabled four amendments which constitute this group. There are two interacting issues: public interest and commercial interest. It is clear that where safety, human lives or participation are at risk, that has to win over commercial interest. This is what we are dealing with in these...

Member
Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 February 2024
Reference
835 cc1592-6
House
House of Lords

My Lords, these are important issues that the noble Baroness, Lady Bowles, has raised. She has, with her characteristic acuity, asked lots of penetrating questions about what the proposed legislation actually means. For the part of the Official Opposition, we will listen carefully to what the Minister says in reply...

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Lord Liddle (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 February 2024
Reference
835 c1596
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I begin by briefly clarifying a point that I made earlier in response to a question from the noble Lord, Lord Tunnicliffe, which I am afraid I did not hear correctly. I should have

responded by saying that the right legislative vehicle for the Road Safety Investigation Branch...

Member
Lord Davies of Gower (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 February 2024
Reference
835 cc1596-8
House
House of Lords

I thank the Minister for his explanations. I am a little further forward, in that I understand Clause 95(2). I am not sure that I agree with what he said would be the effect of adding “intellectual property” to a new paragraph (c), but, for now, I am prepared to...

Member
Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 February 2024
Reference
835 c1598
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Lord Davies of Gower

33: Clause 97, page 70, line 6, leave out subsections (5) to (8) and insert—

“(5) The following regulations are subject to the affirmative procedure—

(a) regulations under section 36(9),

(b) regulations under section 50 that amend an Act, an Act of the Scottish Parliament or an Act of...

Member
Lord Davies of Gower (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
6 February 2024
Reference
835 c1599
House
House of Lords