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Letter dated 04/11/2019 from Lord Gardiner of Kimble to Members regarding issues raised in the Queen's Speech debate on economic affairs, business, agriculture, environment, energy and transport. 12p.

Deposited by
Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs
Type
Deposited papers
Date
4 November 2019
Reference
DEP2019-1060
House
House of Lords

Queen's speech debate (fourth day) on the climate emergency.

Lead member
Theresa Villiers
Answering member
Grant Shapps; Andy McDonald; Baroness Hayman of Ullock
Department
Department for Transport; Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs
Type
Queen's speech debates
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 cc505-560
House
House of Commons

It is a great honour to open today’s debate on Her Majesty’s Gracious Speech. A cornerstone of the legislative programme set out in that speech is a landmark Environment Bill. The Bill will help us to make good our pledge to bequeath the environment in a better state than it...

Member
Theresa Villiers (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c505
House
House of Commons

Judging by the Secretary of State’s voice, I think she is suffering from the same ailment as I am: a throat or chest infection.

Does the Secretary of State acknowledge the commitment by the National Farmers Union and the Ulster Farmers Union, which I am a member of back home—I declare...

Member
Jim Shannon (Democratic Unionist Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c505
House
House of Commons

rose—

Member
Theresa Villiers (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c505
House
House of Commons

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for his intervention. He correctly points out that the NFU has suggested going further and faster in meeting the net zero target in relation to farming, and I very much welcome that ambition, which is in tune with the reforms to farm support...

Member
Theresa Villiers (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c505
House
House of Commons

The Secretary of State mentioned that trees are a natural carbon sink. The Scottish Government have a target of 10,000 hectares of tree planting per annum, which they are currently exceeding. The UK Government’s figure works out at an average of 5,000 hectares per year, and they are only delivering...

Member
Alan Brown (Scottish National Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c506
House
House of Commons

The UK Government have a strong record of protecting nature and biodiversity, and we will continue to build on that with the Environment Bill that I am talking about.

The trees, plants and peatlands that make up nature’s own carbon capture technology are crucial in meeting the net zero target, and...

Member
Theresa Villiers (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c506
House
House of Commons

The Secretary of State is right to talk about the importance of biodiversity and climate change. On the last point she made about the Committee chaired by the Prime Minister, can she assure the House that the devolved Administrations will be part of this, so that we do not have...

Member
Albert Owen (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c506
House
House of Commons

Without going into the details of the make-up of that Committee, I can assure the hon. Gentleman that the UK Government will continue to work closely with all the devolved Administrations on these hugely important tasks for us.

Member
Theresa Villiers (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c506
House
House of Commons
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c506
House
House of Commons

I am going to make some progress.

We are a country that has shown that economic and environmental success can go hand in hand. We have cut our emissions by more than 40%—faster than any other G20 country—while growing our economy by more than two thirds. That includes a 25% cut...

Member
Theresa Villiers (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c506
House
House of Commons

I thank the Secretary of State for giving way; she is making a powerful speech and being very generous with her time. Will she support my call that we introduce a net zero test so that we can ensure that at every fiscal event—Budgets and comprehensive spending reviews—we are investing...

Member
Sarah Newton (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c506
House
House of Commons

My hon. Friend makes an interesting suggestion, which I will consider carefully, and we might of course return to it when the Environment Bill is debated in Committee.

Member
Theresa Villiers (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c506
House
House of Commons

Will the Secretary of State give way?

Member
Gareth Thomas (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c507
House
House of Commons

I am going to make a little more progress.

Only six years ago, 40% of our electricity came from coal; now that figure is less than 5%. In 2018, more than a third of our electricity was generated by renewables, and earlier this year the UK went a whole fortnight without...

Member
Theresa Villiers (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c507
House
House of Commons

I am grateful for the opportunity just to say how wholeheartedly I support my right hon. Friend in what she is doing, particularly in the environmental space. Does she agree that the ability to take the leadership that the UK has demonstrated in so many areas to the rest of...

Member
Claire O'Neill (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c507
House
House of Commons

My right hon. Friend makes a hugely important point, and I wholeheartedly agree and will return to it in a few moments.

We have committed to building on the record of success I have outlined, and we will accelerate the low-carbon growth that already provides more than 400,000 jobs in the...

Member
Theresa Villiers (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c507
House
House of Commons

To go back to the number of low-carbon jobs in the UK, does the Secretary of State agree that more could be created if the licensing process for contracts for difference auctions looked not only at price, but at quality and value added in the use of local supply chains?...

Member
Alan Brown (Scottish National Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c507
House
House of Commons

We will certainly look at all the options to create low-carbon jobs, including the ideas that the hon. Gentleman speaks about.

Just as the Climate Change Act set a path to reducing carbon emissions, so our Environment Bill will embed environmental principles at the heart of Government decision making. It will...

Member
Theresa Villiers (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c507
House
House of Commons

On waste reduction, the Secretary of State will know that plastic is one of the big sources of pollution in our natural environment—particularly in

our seas, but also on land. What pressure is she therefore applying to the manufacturers of soft drinks to move away from plastic, particularly single-use plastic?

Member
Gareth Thomas (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c507
House
House of Commons

The hon. Gentleman is right to highlight the pressing concerns about single-use plastic. The Bill contains a number of provisions designed to cut down on avoidable plastic waste, which I will address in more detail in a moment. It includes the potential for the charges that apply to plastic bags...

Member
Theresa Villiers (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c508
House
House of Commons

In Wales, we have the third-best recycling rate in the world, but that recycling ends up across the oceans in other countries. Does the Secretary of State agree that what is actually needed is wholescale reform of the whole waste hierarchy to put pressure on our producers to ensure that...

Member
Anna McMorrin (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c508
House
House of Commons

I agree that we need a real step change in moving to a much more circular economy, and I believe that our Bill will set us on that path. We are also funding programmes around the world to encourage a move to a more circular economy and more recycling across...

Member
Theresa Villiers (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c508
House
House of Commons

I am grateful to the Secretary of State for being very generous in giving way. She mentions the targets that her Government have set. She will know that research has just come out that shows that the UK Government are set to miss their legally binding targets of reducing emissions...

Member
Anneliese Dodds (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c508
House
House of Commons

We are already subject to rigorous legal obligations in relation to our carbon budgets, and we are showing real progress towards meeting them.

Our Environment Bill will mandate setting ambitious targets rooted in science. A powerful new independent watchdog will be created to hold the Government to account on meeting the...

Member
Theresa Villiers (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c508
House
House of Commons

I want to take the Secretary of State back to the Environment Bill for two seconds, because it is important to set targets but even more important to have deadlines for meeting them. She will be aware of concerns raised today that there is a major loophole in the Bill...

Member
Caroline Lucas (Green Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c508
House
House of Commons

I can reassure the hon. Lady by drawing her attention to clause 10, which provides for interim targets. The OEP will also have the authority to hold the Government to account on our progress towards meeting long-term targets.

Taking on board the recommendations of the Select Committee on Environment, Food and...

Member
Theresa Villiers (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c509
House
House of Commons

My right hon. Friend is being very generous with her time. As a member of the Environmental Audit Committee, I am pleased to hear that she has taken some of our recommendations on board. When she looks at improving water quality, will she consider whether there is a role for...

Member
Philip Dunne (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c509
House
House of Commons

I assure my right hon. Friend that Ofwat and the Environment Agency work together closely in their complementary roles in regulating the water industry. Ensuring that the water companies play their part in protecting the environment is vital. Our Environment Bill will help us to maintain and increase the pressure...

Member
Theresa Villiers (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c509
House
House of Commons

The Secretary of State makes a good point about plastic waste. Does she agree that plastic waste getting into the wrong place and causing litter is an issue created by people and consumers, not by manufacturers and businesses?

Member
Mark Pawsey (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c509
House
House of Commons

That is, of course, the case. I would always urge everyone not to drop litter; it is an eyesore that blights our communities and open spaces, and we are determined to tackle it. The Environment Bill includes significant new powers to crack down on fly-tipping and waste crime—those deeply antisocial...

Member
Theresa Villiers (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 cc509-510
House
House of Commons

In more general terms, looking beyond the Environment Bill that we will have week, can the Secretary of State give a cast-iron guarantee from the Dispatch Box that if we were to leave the European Union, the UK’s environmental protections, regulations and laws would be better than those we currently...

Member
Ian Murray (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c510
House
House of Commons

We are actually setting out a much more demanding programme for the environment than we would be required to undertake under EU law. We are proposing to go further and faster than EU laws, and as an illustration of that—

Member
Theresa Villiers (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c510
House
House of Commons

Will the Secretary of State give way?

Member
Ruth Cadbury (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c510
House
House of Commons

No; I want Back Benchers to have all the time they need, so I will have to cut down on the points of information.

We will, for example, go further and faster than ever before on air quality, because we will be setting a legally binding target on PM2.5 fine particulate...

Member
Theresa Villiers (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c510
House
House of Commons

My right hon. Friend will be aware that the previous Agriculture Bill, which fell at Prorogation, struck a neat balance between the interests of farming and the interests of the environment, with both sides being broadly supportive. Can she confirm this afternoon that it is going to be broadly the...

Member
Simon Hoare (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c510
House
House of Commons

Yes, we would certainly envisage broadly the same direction of travel for the agriculture Bill when it is reintroduced. We very much value the

input that Parliament previously provided, and all the fundamentals of the previous Agriculture Bill will remain intact.

Outside the EU, we can and will replace the common...

Member
Theresa Villiers (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 cc510-2
House
House of Commons

We all know that we face a climate and environment emergency. We know that wildlife populations are collapsing, ecosystems are breaking down and temperatures are rising at an alarming rate. Since world war two, we have lost 97% of our meadows, 80% of our chalk grassland and more than half...

Member
Baroness Hayman of Ullock (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c512
House
House of Commons

Does the hon. Lady agree that one easy early win would be to do something quickly about engine idling? All of us could turn off our engines when stuck in traffic and at traffic lights. It costs nothing, and we could do it now.

Member
Andrew Selous (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c513
House
House of Commons

That is an extremely important point, and we could do that straightaway, but we need a proper, comprehensive transport Bill to tackle things more widely.

My team will be going through the Environment Bill line by line, but there already seems to be evidence of some weaknesses. The proposals are weak...

Member
Baroness Hayman of Ullock (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c513
House
House of Commons

If we are to reach the World Health Organisation’s targets by 2030, does my hon. Friend agree that is imperative to bring forward the date on which we will stop selling new diesel and fossil-fuel cars from 2042 to 2030? We also need a staged plan of how to get...

Member
Geraint Davies (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c513
House
House of Commons

I agree with my hon. Friend. The matter was mentioned during Labour’s party conference this year, because we are taking this very seriously.

My concern is that the Conservative Government have a track record of missing environmental targets on air quality, major pollution incidents and biodiversity, and last year a leaked...

Member
Baroness Hayman of Ullock (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c513
House
House of Commons

My hon. Friend has already mentioned the fact that we are financing fossil fuels overseas while trying to reduce their usage here, but we also consume 3.3 million tonnes of soya per year, 77% of which comes from high-risk deforestation areas in Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay. It is one thing...

Member
Kerry McCarthy (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c513
House
House of Commons

Whatever we do to try to protect the environment and solve the climate and ecological emergency, it is incredibly important that we do that on a global level. If we do not, we will never achieve the results that the planet needs.

The Government had to be dragged through the courts...

Member
Baroness Hayman of Ullock (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c514
House
House of Commons

I have the dubious honour of representing the constituency with the most polluted road outside London. Large trucks go up Hafodyrynys Road spewing out all sorts of noxious fumes from diesel engines. However, the council is hamstrung because it cannot introduce emissions charging zones, as we have in London, and...

Member
Chris Evans (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c514
House
House of Commons

I agree. Air quality is referred to in the Environment Bill, and we will be pushing hard on those areas in Committee.

I am particularly concerned about Natural England’s budget. For those who do not know, Natural England is the body responsible for protecting and enhancing our natural environment, and its...

Member
Baroness Hayman of Ullock (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 cc514-5
House
House of Commons
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 c515
House
House of Commons

I will, Madam Deputy Speaker. Every time I stand up in this House now I am conscious that it could be the last time I speak here, but if it is, I cannot think of a better subject. There is something worth celebrating: the degree of cross-party consensus on this...

Member
Lord Benyon (Independent (affiliation))
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 cc515-6
House
House of Commons

The climate emergency seems to be the kind of emergency where a lot gets said and a lot less gets done. We meet here in this leaking, cavernous, old museum to discuss this climate emergency while outside it people have been banned from protesting about the possible extinction of us...

Member
Deidre Brock (Scottish National Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 October 2019
Reference
666 cc516-8
House
House of Commons