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Lords second reading. Agreed to on question..

Lead member
Lord Duncan of Springbank
Answering member
Lord Murphy of Torfaen
Department
Northern Ireland Office
Type
Debates on bills
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Debated with Second Reading (and remaining stages) of the Northern Ireland Budget (Anticipation and Adjustments) (No. 2) Bill.
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 cc979-1012
House
House of Lords

It is only 9.05 pm.

Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 c1010
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I will speak to both Motions standing in my name on the Order Paper. When I last brought forward a budget Bill for Northern Ireland, I stated that it would be the last time. Events have made a liar of me. I apologise for that.

In the absence of...

Member
Lord Duncan of Springbank (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 cc979-982
House
House of Lords

My Lords, noble Lords will of course understand why, as he said, the Minister has made a liar of himself and had to come back to the House. It is fair to say that it is not the Minister who has made a liar of himself but the circumstances in...

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Lord Bruce of Bennachie (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 cc982-4
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I start by thanking the Minister for bringing forward these essential Bills today. They ensure that public services continue to be provided in Northern Ireland and give departments some certainty going forward. In the unfortunate continued absence of decision-makers at a local level, I welcome the Government taking...

Member
Lord Browne of Belmont (Democratic Unionist Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 cc984-6
House
House of Lords

My Lords, when the business Motion was being discussed last week, I made the point that the method of dealing with Northern Ireland legislation in this place is entirely unsatisfactory. I support the views expressed by the noble Lord, Lord Bruce of Bennachie, to that effect. We know that budgets...

Member
Lord Empey (Ulster Unionist Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 cc986-8
House
House of Lords

My Lords, it is a great pleasure to follow my noble friend Lord Empey, and I will be reiterating some of the points he has made in relation to proper scrutiny.

Our debates on Northern Ireland inevitably evoke feelings of the deepest concern and great sadness in all parts of our...

Member
Lord Lexden (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 cc988-990
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I will speak on the Northern Ireland (Regional Rates and Energy) (No. 2) Bill in particular. I declare an interest, as shown in the register, as the owner of two non-domestic properties in the cities of Armagh and Belfast and the chairman of a company that owns 14...

Member
Lord Kilclooney (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 cc989-992
House
House of Lords

My Lords, like other noble Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for his presentation of these Bills. He commands considerable respect and affection in this House because he is assiduous in his work, he is committed to the business and he is a man of integrity. He clearly demonstrates...

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Lord Alderdice (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 c992
House
House of Lords

On a point of information, I have seen two Northern Ireland flags recently.

Member
Lord Rogan (Ulster Unionist Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 c992
House
House of Lords

The noble Lord must have brought them with him himself, because certainly nobody over here would even have known what they were, never mind be displaying them. The truth is that the interests of the people on this side of the water have moved on for a whole series of...

Member
Lord Alderdice (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 cc992-3
House
House of Lords

Is the noble Lord aware that there was no greater opportunity than to use the MLAs in the run-up to this budget? Instead, there were two or three very brief and perfunctory meetings, of little import, between the civil servants and representatives of the parties. Surely it would have been...

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Lord Empey (Ulster Unionist Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 c993
House
House of Lords

The noble Lord knows that I agree entirely with him. I simply cannot see that there is any sound reason at all for the Government to hold back on this. My noble friend Lord Bruce of Bennachie has insisted, quite rightly, that there is now deep concern that large amounts...

Member
Lord Alderdice (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 cc993-5
House
House of Lords

My Lords, it is with some regret that I speak on this issue today. Indeed, I feel that this is the sort of debate that we should not have to have. I find myself in general agreement with everyone who has spoken and with some of the things that have...

Member
Lord Morrow (Democratic Unionist Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 cc995-6
House
House of Lords

My Lords, very much along the lines of the previous speakers who have addressed this issue, I will start with a word or two about rates. The inequity is that domestic rates have yet again risen by 4.8%, whereas commercial rates have risen by 1.8%. While we continue to pay...

Member
Lord Maginnis of Drumglass (Independent Ulster Unionist)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 cc996-9
House
House of Lords

My Lords, unlike most of the speakers in this debate, I do not come from Northern Ireland. It is a part of our United Kingdom that I got to know and love when I was chairing the Northern Ireland Affairs Committee in the other place. The people are marvellous; the...

Member
Lord Cormack (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 cc999-1000
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I support the two Bills and thank the Minister for arranging the briefing from his officials in the Northern Ireland Office yesterday. During that discussion, I was struck by a point already raised by the noble Lord, Lord Bruce, this evening: the possibility of a University of Ulster...

Member
Lord Bew (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 cc1000-1
House
House of Lords

My Lords, there has been a wide range of speeches on the Bills here this evening, all very much with a similar theme: the lack of transparency, scrutiny and certainly accountability. We might get a few hours in this House to debate a budget for Northern Ireland—a very unsatisfactory situation...

Member
Lord Hay of Ballyore (Democratic Unionist Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 cc1001-3
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I will speak briefly with what is, I hope, a simple message, one which has been expressed many times but needs to be repeated. The Explanatory Notes for the legislation before us this evening begin with the following statement:

“The Bill deals with matters arising from the continued absence...

Member
Lord Rogan (Ulster Unionist Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 cc1003-4
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I very much agree with the noble Lord, Lord Rogan. Where there is an absence of democratic government, particularly in Northern Ireland, that gap will be filled by the men of violence. That is an interesting point on which to start this final but one speech in your...

Member
Lord Murphy of Torfaen (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
12 March 2019
Reference
796 cc1004-6
House
House of Lords