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Legislative formal proceedings
Date
15 March 2018
Reference
637 c997
House
House of Commons

The hon. Gentleman is, as he knows, unfairly paraphrasing my hon. Friend the shadow Chief Secretary. What my hon. Friend has pointed out is that politics is about choices and that this Government have decided, through this set of proposals, to reduce the amount of tax the banks will pay,...

Member
Jonathan Reynolds (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 February 2018
Reference
636 c226
House
House of Commons

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his intervention but, as I say, the central, key, cold, hard fact, which will not go away, is that financial services are paying £8 billion or £9 billion more in tax now than they were before. That is money that can be spent on...

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Chris Philp (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 February 2018
Reference
636 cc226-7
House
House of Commons

I feel that we have had this discussion in many of the debates on the many Finance Bills we have debated over the past 12 months. No one on the Opposition Benches denies the existence of the Laffer curve; we simply point out, as a point of fact, that the...

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Jonathan Reynolds (Labour; Co-operative Party)
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Proceeding contributions
Date
21 February 2018
Reference
636 c227
House
House of Commons

Let me take each of those points in turn. The hon. Gentleman asserts that, had the corporation tax rate remained at 28%, we would now be collecting more than £53 billion. That is an assertion, and not one with which one can agree without contention. For example, because of the...

Member
Chris Philp (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 February 2018
Reference
636 c227
House
House of Commons

rose—

Member
Peter Dowd (Labour)
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Proceeding contributions
Date
21 February 2018
Reference
636 c227
House
House of Commons

Just a moment; let me respond to these two points.

Those companies had located their corporate headquarters outside the UK and so paid corporation tax outside the UK, but in response to the Government’s cutting the rate of tax, they came back onshore and now pay corporation tax here. It does...

Member
Chris Philp (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 February 2018
Reference
636 c227
House
House of Commons

rose—

Member
Jonathan Reynolds (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 February 2018
Reference
636 c227
House
House of Commons

If the hon. Gentleman will let me answer his second point, I shall happily take an intervention. He suggested that, because the bank levy is a tax on a balance sheet, there is no Laffer curve effect. I dispute that. Banks are mostly international—for example, our largest bank, HSBC, is...

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Chris Philp (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 February 2018
Reference
636 cc227-8
House
House of Commons

I am extremely grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way. This argument is integral to the economic prosperity of the UK. On the point that he has just raised, I say clearly that we should wish to keep that substantial national asset, which is our financial services industry, in...

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Jonathan Reynolds (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 February 2018
Reference
636 c228
House
House of Commons

A number of points have been raised there. On the point about correlation and causation, of course I understand that they are not the same thing. However, in my remarks about corporation tax reductions, I did point to some of the causal links. The two causal links that I cited...

Member
Chris Philp (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 February 2018
Reference
636 c228
House
House of Commons

The explanatory statement for new clause 3 says:

“This new clause requires the Government to carry out a review of the bank levy, including its effectiveness in relation to its stated aims, the revenue effects of the changes made in 2015 and the comparable effectiveness of the bank payroll tax.”

The stated...

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Peter Dowd (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 February 2018
Reference
636 c229
House
House of Commons

The Government conduct analyses and reviews the whole time. I am not sure whether we need to put the review into primary legislation. As the hon. Gentleman refers to new clauses 3 and 4, which stand in his name, I will turn to them now.

The new clauses call for various...

Member
Chris Philp (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 February 2018
Reference
636 c229
House
House of Commons

rose—

Member
Peter Dowd (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 February 2018
Reference
636 c229
House
House of Commons

However, if I am about to be enlightened, I will of course give way.

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Chris Philp (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 February 2018
Reference
636 c229
House
House of Commons

The hon. Gentleman cannot have it both ways. The Government introduced an arcane procedure, which was first used, I think, by Winston Churchill in 1929, effectively to stop us moving any substantive amendments. Does he not recognise that, whatever we wanted to do, we would not have been able to...

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Peter Dowd (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 February 2018
Reference
636 c229
House
House of Commons

I am not sure. This is a moment when my hon. Friend the Member for North East Somerset (Mr Rees-Mogg) is required to advise on such matters. I do not share his expertise in parliamentary procedure. However, the shadow Chief Secretary did not specify in his quite extensive—and, at times,...

Member
Chris Philp (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 February 2018
Reference
636 c230
House
House of Commons

I am more than happy to convey the hon. Gentleman’s comments to the Leader of the Opposition, although I do not accept them. Will the hon. Gentleman also pass on my comments to the Prime Minister? She is making a mess of Brexit, which is far more dangerous to this...

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Peter Dowd (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 February 2018
Reference
636 c230
House
House of Commons

There is no allegation; they were said publicly. I will of course convey the hon. Gentleman’s comments in a spirit of reciprocation, but I dispute the remarks about Brexit. We saw fantastic progress before Christmas and are moving on to the next stage. I look forward to the series of...

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Chris Philp (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 February 2018
Reference
636 c230
House
House of Commons

I must defend the Leader of the Opposition. The comments that he made to the EEF national manufacturing conference were simply that

finance must serve industry and that this country has to find ways to increase lending to businesses, to have more productive outcomes for the economy and to lower...

Member
Jonathan Reynolds (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
21 February 2018
Reference
636 c230
House
House of Commons