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Lords committee stage fourth day. New clauses debated and withdrawn. Other amendments not moved or withdrawn from the Marshalled List. Clauses 6 to 16 agreed. Schedules 1 to 4 agreed. Bill reported without amendment.

Lead member
Lord Bates; Viscount Younger of Leckie; Baroness Fairhead
Department
Department for International Trade
Type
Debates on bills; Committee of the Whole House (HL)
Date
4 February 2019
Reference
795 cc1333-1424
House
House of Lords

My Lords, we have come to the fourth day of Committee on the Bill. Before the noble Lord, Lord Liddle, became herald to this issue, we really had not talked about people. Trade is about people—it is about people who make and sell things, people who sell their services abroad,...

Member
Lord Fox (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
4 February 2019
Reference
795 cc1351-4
House
House of Lords

I am happy to do that, and perhaps get some notes—I know we have a group coming up on the mobility framework, to which those points will perhaps be pertinent. I will, if I can, address them there. I also draw the noble Lord’s attention to section 9 of the...

Member
Lord Bates (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
4 February 2019
Reference
795 cc1344-5
House
House of Lords

Can my noble friend clarify the point about services and goods? I asked whether we would be able to continue to do deals on services if we had a tight agreement—a customs union or whatever —with the EU. He was saying that goods and services tend to be linked in...

Member
Baroness Neville-Rolfe (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
4 February 2019
Reference
795 c1345
House
House of Lords

I will be glad to do so. In a lot of such agreements, especially for the major manufacturers, the bulk of the value of the trade or the deal is the service package and the support provided thereafter. I will be very happy to write to my noble friend ahead...

Member
Lord Bates (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
4 February 2019
Reference
795 c1345
House
House of Lords

In the early part of his speech, the Minister read out an impressive list of points that had been achieved or secured before he moved on to his brilliant ex tempore dealing with the questions raised in debate. I confess that I did not recognise those points. I cannot remember...

Member
Lord Kerr of Kinlochard (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
4 February 2019
Reference
795 c1345
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I rise more in hope than expectation of being able to persuade your Lordships. I pick up the sense from the Committee that this is probably something that your Lordships will want to return to in more depth on Report. Perhaps the best service I can offer at...

Member
Lord Bates (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
4 February 2019
Reference
795 cc1387-8
House
House of Lords

It helps somewhat, and I urge the Government to consult extensively with the care and food service sectors. Hygiene skills, for example, benefit the food sector a lot. I am sure most employees there earn less than the scheduled threshold. There is also the issue of freelancers and self-employed people....

Member
Lord Fox (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
4 February 2019
Reference
795 c1360
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Lord Lea of Crondall

66A: After Clause 5, insert the following new Clause—

“UK membership of EFTA and the European Economic Area

It shall be the objective of an appropriate authority to achieve before exit day the implementation of an international agreement to enable the United Kingdom to become a member of...

Member
Lord Lea of Crondall (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
4 February 2019
Reference
795 c1360
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I will speak briefly to Amendments 90A and 90B in my name. Again, I thank my noble friend Lord Kinnoull for adding his name to both amendments.

As we have heard, the Taxation (Cross-border Trade) Act sets the overarching rules under which the UK’s new Trade Remedies Authority will...

Member
Baroness Brown of Cambridge (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
4 February 2019
Reference
795 cc1412-3
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I follow the noble Lord, Lord Liddle, in pursuing the aspect of services, and I have a specific question for my noble friend Lord Bates, who I think will be summing up. This debate is not dissimilar to the one that we had on the free movement of...

Member
Baroness McIntosh of Pickering (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
4 February 2019
Reference
795 cc1338-9
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Lord Lansley

61: After Clause 5, insert the following new Clause—

“Free Zones

(1) Within three months of the passing of this Act the Treasury must launch a consultation on proposals for the establishment in the United Kingdom of Free Zones, as defined by the Customs and Excise Management Act 1979.

(2) The...

Member
Lord Lansley (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
4 February 2019
Reference
795 cc1347-8
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I will begin by reading the amendment to set out what I am trying to do here:

“It shall be the objective of an appropriate authority to achieve before exit day the implementation of an international agreement to enable the United Kingdom to become a member of the European...

Member
Lord Lea of Crondall (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
4 February 2019
Reference
795 cc1360-4
House
House of Lords

That is the central point. The reason we could not do it at national level, whether in Europe or the wider world, is that our employer would say we will be uncompetitive. However, in a big bloc like the EU where we negotiated at Brussels level under the Social Chapter,...

Member
Lord Lea of Crondall (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
4 February 2019
Reference
795 c1365
House
House of Lords

I can help the noble Lord on that. In the six months since the summer, Jeremy Corbyn—whether you think his policy is that of a snail or a crab—has moved to say that we in the Labour Party are in favour of staying in the customs union and a/the single...

Member
Lord Lea of Crondall (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
4 February 2019
Reference
795 c1365
House
House of Lords

If the protocol of the House allows me, I will answer questions as they come in this way. The proposal I made at the end of a negotiation involving the EU as well as EFTA is one way of getting out from under the dilemma that some future for Britain...

Member
Lord Lea of Crondall (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
4 February 2019
Reference
795 c1366
House
House of Lords

I thank the Minister for that very courteous reply. I do indeed believe that he has taken the points very seriously, as I would have expected of him. Neither of us is Wittgenstein. I say that because I fear that Wittgenstein would not have been very happy with some of...

Member
Lord Lea of Crondall (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
4 February 2019
Reference
795 cc1369-1370
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara

98: After Clause 15, insert the following new Clause—

“Conditions of commencement

The provisions in Parts 1 to 3 of this Act may only come into force if—

(a) a withdrawal agreement and a framework for the future relationship have been approved by a resolution of the House of...

Member
Lord Stevenson of Balmacara (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
4 February 2019
Reference
795 c1417
House
House of Lords

By this stage of the proceedings the Minister is usually tearing up her notes and packing her bag while the team are leaving the Box, and the Committee is allowed to descend into a sort of torpidity at the end of a long and heavy day—day four, in this case—while...

Member
Lord Stevenson of Balmacara (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
4 February 2019
Reference
795 cc1417-8
House
House of Lords

That is the noble Lord’s position on this: the reality is that the Prime Minister is seeking an agreement that can command a majority in the other place and that requires compromise. That is what the agreement represents. The House made its view on the withdrawal agreement clear; she is...

Member
Lord Bates (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
4 February 2019
Reference
795 c1391
House
House of Lords