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My Lords, whether Article 50 notification is revocable or irrevocable is a matter of policy or law. I believe that we could interrupt the process of leaving the EU only by another referendum. I think this is the point that the noble Lord, Lord Lawson, touched upon. In fact, the...

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Bishop of Chester (Bishops (affiliation))
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 March 2017
Reference
779 cc1287-8
House
House of Lords

I wonder whether the noble Lord has picked up his notes for the wrong speech. He seems to be talking about a second referendum.

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Viscount Ridley (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 March 2017
Reference
779 c1266
House
House of Lords

The noble Baroness said at the beginning of her remarks that this is a notification Bill, not an authorisation Bill. Will she therefore explain what an authorisation amendment is doing in a notification Bill?

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Viscount Ridley (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 March 2017
Reference
779 c1271
House
House of Lords

Will my noble friend explain how what she is saying now squares with what she said at the start of her speech about not challenging the result of the referendum?

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Viscount Ridley (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 March 2017
Reference
779 c1287
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House of Lords

My Lords—

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Viscount Ridley (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 March 2017
Reference
779 c1292
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Lord Pannick

3: After Clause 1, insert the following new Clause—

“Parliamentary approval for the outcome of negotiations with the European Union

(1) The Prime Minister may not conclude an agreement with the European Union under Article 50(2) of the Treaty on European Union, on the terms of the United Kingdom’s withdrawal...

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Lord Pannick (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 March 2017
Reference
779 cc1250-1
House
House of Lords

My Lords, Amendment 3 is in my name and the names of the noble Baroness, Lady Hayter, the noble Lord, Lord Oates, and the noble Viscount, Lord Hailsham. The purpose and effect of Amendment 3 is very simple. It would ensure that at the end of the negotiating process, the...

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Lord Pannick (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 March 2017
Reference
779 cc1251-2
House
House of Lords

This is a very important point, and I am glad that the noble Lord is addressing it in such detail, but we cannot make our judgments on the basis of what the Government have said they might do. The judgment today must be on the basis of what is in...

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Lord Grocott (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 March 2017
Reference
779 c1252
House
House of Lords

As I have said, this is the Prime Minister’s undertaking, but since the noble Lord has asked me—I do not have to tell him this, given his enormous experience—if the House of Commons were to give its approval, this House would, in my judgment, rightly be told that it should...

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Lord Pannick (Crossbench)
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Proceeding contributions
Date
7 March 2017
Reference
779 c1252
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House of Lords

I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. He says that it is “exceptionally unlikely” that this House would insist in those circumstances on having its way, but that falls some way short of dealing with the point raised by the noble Lord opposite. Does the noble Lord...

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Lord Howard of Lympne (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 March 2017
Reference
779 c1252
House
House of Lords

The noble Lord will form his own judgment; I am putting to the House that this amendment implements the undertaking given by the Prime Minister. She has recognised—in my view rightly—that so important are these matters that it is necessary, and imperative, to obtain the approval of both Houses of...

Member
Lord Pannick (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 March 2017
Reference
779 c1253
House
House of Lords

My Lords, does the noble Lord also agree that there is nothing in this proposed new clause that precludes the approval of both Houses being expressed in an Act of Parliament? If that is correct, the Parliament Act stands behind it.

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Viscount Hailsham (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 March 2017
Reference
779 c1253
House
House of Lords

I am grateful to the noble Viscount. As I have already said, this amendment is different from the amendment that we had in Committee because it does not state by what the means the Government must seek the approval of both Houses. The noble Viscount is absolutely right: it is...

Member
Lord Pannick (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 March 2017
Reference
779 c1253
House
House of Lords

My Lords, the noble Lord is an exceedingly distinguished lawyer, as we all know. I recognise that, normally, the legal profession seeks precision. The noble Lord is laying before the House an amendment that is imprecise, and he has admitted that; it has been pointed out by my noble friend...

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Lord True (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 March 2017
Reference
779 c1253
House
House of Lords

I repeat to the noble Lord: I have put in the amendment precisely the undertaking that the Prime Minister has given. If the Prime Minister takes the view that it is appropriate to address specifically in the amendment the means by which any division of view between the two Houses...

Member
Lord Pannick (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 March 2017
Reference
779 c1253
House
House of Lords

Can the noble Lord explain? He has repeatedly said that what he has put in his amendment and wants to put in the Bill is no different from what the Prime Minister indicated to the House of Commons. Surely the difference is that the Prime Minister’s undertaking was that there...

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Lord Forsyth of Drumlean (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 March 2017
Reference
779 c1253
House
House of Lords

What happens? Nobody knows what will happen: that is the whole point of the difficulty that we face in 21 months’ time. I do not know what will happen. The noble Lord does not know what will happen. I am saying to the House that it is essential that Parliament...

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Lord Pannick (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 March 2017
Reference
779 c1254
House
House of Lords

I know that some people in the House do not want to see the flaws in this, but the answer to my question—no deal or what?—is that we end up rejecting the view that the British people voted for: that we should leave the European Union. That is the hidden...

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Lord Forsyth of Drumlean (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 March 2017
Reference
779 c1254
House
House of Lords

If by referring to a hidden agenda, the noble Lord is suggesting that I have some motivation, I assure him that my only motivation is to ensure that Parliament has a guaranteed opportunity at the end of the negotiating process to decide whether the terms of our withdrawal are acceptable...

Member
Lord Pannick (Crossbench)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 March 2017
Reference
779 c1254
House
House of Lords

I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way and wish him a happy birthday. Would I be right in thinking that the difference between what he is advocating and what some other noble Lords are advocating is the difference between parliamentary authority and the royal prerogative? Is he...

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Lord Lester of Herne Hill (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
7 March 2017
Reference
779 c1254
House
House of Lords