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Following past debates on the issue, we have moved to tackling the sort of role that the Lord Chief Justice should have. The view of the Opposition parties in this place and the decision of the other place was that the formal role of the Lord Chief Justice should be...

Member
Jonathan Djanogly (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 October 2007
Reference
465 c308-9
House
House of Commons

It is like Groundhog day because we have gone over the arguments on numerous occasions. The Under-Secretary has ably conducted proceedings on the Bill and the Government have taken on not only constructive amendments and representations from Back Benchers but even some suggestions from the hon. Member for Huntingdon (Mr....

Member
Lord Beamish (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 October 2007
Reference
465 c310
House
House of Commons

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for that point. I was proud to work for a trade union that offered legal services to its members. In some of those cases people had suffered industrial injuries and would not have had access to justice if not for the trade union....

Member
Lord Beamish (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 October 2007
Reference
465 c300
House
House of Commons

I support the amendment, which is a sensible compromise. We heard again today from the hon. Member for Huntingdon (Mr. Djanogly) his complete ignorance of the way in which trade union legal services operate. Reference has been made, for example, to trade unions offering conveyancing to members and their families....

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Lord Beamish (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 October 2007
Reference
465 c299
House
House of Commons

I totally accept that, but when we last debated the subject on Report, the hon. Gentleman said, when referring to the certification officer:"““I have some criticisms about the system's lack of teeth””.—[Official Report, 15 October 2007; Vol. 464, c. 610.]" I agree with him, and we should review that. Furthermore,...

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Jonathan Djanogly (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 October 2007
Reference
465 c298
House
House of Commons

I know that the hon. Gentleman has a paranoia about trade unions, but does he not realise that millions of people in this country who get access to justice would not do so if it were not for the legal services provided by trade unions?

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Lord Beamish (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 October 2007
Reference
465 c298
House
House of Commons

I declare my interests as a member of the Law Society and of the corporate finance faculty of the Institute of Chartered Accountants. Putting aside the mechanical complexities of the ping-pong process, the issue that we are dealing with first today is straightforward. That issue is whether the trade unions...

Member
Jonathan Djanogly (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 October 2007
Reference
465 c297-8
House
House of Commons

I commend my hon. Friend the Member for North Durham (Mr. Jones) for again making relevant and pertinent points, and I commend the hon. Member for Somerton and Frome (Mr. Heath) for succinctly putting across arguments of great relevance, as he often does in our debates. Considering the amount of...

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Lord Mann (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 October 2007
Reference
465 c300-1
House
House of Commons

I beg to move, That this House disagrees with the Lords in the said amendment and proposes Government amendment (a) in lieu. Hon. Members may recall that when we discussed the issue of the board's policy statements in Committee we were broadly in agreement with the amendments made in the...

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Bridget Prentice (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 October 2007
Reference
465 c306-7
House
House of Commons

I beg to move, That this House does not insist on the Commons amendments to which the Lords have disagreed, and proposes Government amendments (a) to (l) in lieu. Hon. Members will know that my noble Friend Lord Hunt of Kings Heath recognised in his opening speech that the issue...

Member
Bridget Prentice (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 October 2007
Reference
465 c307-8
House
House of Commons

The hon. Member for Huntingdon (Mr. Djanogly) differs from the Liberal Democrats on dividing on the matter. We still believe that the principle is important. I accept that the Under-Secretary has travelled a great distance on all sorts of matters—she knows that I appreciate that. Indeed, even on the issue...

Member
David Heath (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 October 2007
Reference
465 c309-10
House
House of Commons

The Government have listened carefully to the debates on thresholds and the persuasive arguments put forward in both Houses. I recognise the concerns expressed by Members that the board should consider the wider impact on the regulatory objectives before taking action, and I believe that the amendments reflect consensus on...

Member
Bridget Prentice (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 October 2007
Reference
465 c305
House
House of Commons

For completeness, I should say to the hon. Member for Huntingdon (Mr. Djanogly) that I am disappointed that he has not been mature enough to join the consensus that everyone else has reached; he obviously wanted to make his partisan party point. There are safeguards in the amendments. I remind...

Member
Bridget Prentice (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 October 2007
Reference
465 c301
House
House of Commons

I beg to move, That this House agrees with the Lords in the said amendment.

Member
Bridget Prentice (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 October 2007
Reference
465 c305
House
House of Commons

I am grateful to the Minister for her comments. We are looking at the role of the Legal Services Board and its oversight of the approved regulators in terms of the modus operandi of its duty to intervene and the decisions by the approved regulators on when and how it...

Member
Lord Bellingham (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 October 2007
Reference
465 c305-6
House
House of Commons

In agreeing to the principles set out in the other place on this matter, the Minister has passed the tests of proportionality and reasonableness. We concur. Lords amendment agreed to. Lords amendments 11A to 14C agreed to.

Member
David Heath (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 October 2007
Reference
465 c306
House
House of Commons

Does my hon. Friend agree that the hon. Member for Huntingdon (Mr. Djanogly) has done us a service by reminding us of all the anti-trade union measures introduced by his party when it was in power?

Member
David Marshall (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 October 2007
Reference
465 c300
House
House of Commons

I beg to move, That this House does not insist on Commons amendment No. 4 to which the Lords have disagreed, disagrees to Lords amendment No. 4A proposed in lieu of that amendment and proposes amendments (a) to (c) in lieu of Lords amendment No. 4A. The House will be...

Member
Bridget Prentice (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 October 2007
Reference
465 c295-7
House
House of Commons

As the House may recall from our previous discussions on the subject, we had two problems with the Government's proposal. First, the blanket exemption was far wider than we were prepared to accept, because in the provision of legal services by trade unions, it would have allowed what I would...

Member
David Heath (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
24 October 2007
Reference
465 c299
House
House of Commons

Legal Services Bill (HL). Programme motion (No 3) on consideration of Lords message and subsequent stages. Agreed to on question. Lords amendments considered. Lords amendment 4A disagreed to and Commons amendments (a) to (c) in lieu agreed to on division (301 to 145). Government amendments (a) to (l) in lieu...

Department
Ministry of Justice
Type
Debates on bills
Date
24 October 2007
Reference
465 c294-312
House
House of Commons