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My Lords, we on these Benches also support the proposal from the noble Baroness, Lady Perry. The measures would be of great benefit in strengthening the Bill. It is not clear whether some would be implemented immediately or whether they would come into effect only after the Bill is implemented...

Member
Baroness Garden of Frognal (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 October 2008
Reference
704 c1771
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I have a great deal of sympathy for what the noble Baroness, Lady Garden, and the noble Baroness, Lady Verma, have said. The Government collect an enormous amount of information and statistics. It is hard to believe that we do not collect the information that would help her....

Member
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 October 2008
Reference
704 c1771
House
House of Lords

moved Amendment No. 44: 44: After Clause 33, insert the following new Clause— ““Annual progress report The Secretary of State shall report annually to Parliament on the operation of this Part of this Act, with particular reference to— (a) the effectiveness of arrangements for providing advice to young people about...

Member
Baroness Perry of Southwark (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 October 2008
Reference
704 c1769-70
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I give strong support on behalf of the Opposition Front Bench to the amendment of my noble friend Lady Perry whose suggested annual progress reports succinctly encapsulate a number of the points that my noble friend Lady Morris and I made in Committee. The amendment covers three areas....

Member
Baroness Verma (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 October 2008
Reference
704 c1771
House
House of Lords

moved Amendments Nos. 36 and 37: 36: After Clause 29, insert the following new Clause— ““Withdrawal or variation of penalty notice given under section 28 following notice of objection (1) This section applies where a penalty notice has been given to a person (““the employer””) under section 28 by a...

Member
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 October 2008
Reference
704 c1767-8
House
House of Lords

moved Amendments Nos. 38 to 43: 38: Clause 30, page 17, line 22, after ““where”” insert ““— (a) ”” 39: Clause 30, page 17, line 23, leave out ““(and has not already been withdrawn)”” and insert ““, and (b) any appeal made under section (Appeal against penalty notice given under...

Member
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 October 2008
Reference
704 c1768-9
House
House of Lords

moved Amendments Nos. 32 and 33: 32: Clause 28, page 16, line 30, leave out paragraph (a) and insert— ““(a) particulars of the failure by the employer in respect of which the penalty notice is given,”” 33: Clause 28, page 16, line 34, at end insert— ““( ) the steps...

Member
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 October 2008
Reference
704 c1767
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank the Minister for that generous reply: it was not quite a refusal to accept the amendment, and it kept the issue open. I gladly accept her offer to discuss it further. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. Clause 38 [Parenting contracts...

Member
Baroness Perry of Southwark (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 October 2008
Reference
704 c1771
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I take on board what the Minister says about primary legislation not being necessary. However, the Government have not used their powers of regulation to extend it to 16, 17 and 18 year-olds. Are they proposing to do so?

Member
Baroness Sharp of Guildford (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 October 2008
Reference
704 c1762
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank the Minister and all noble Lords who have spoken. On understanding information, it is really important to include personal interaction so that young people can raise issues and concerns that are not always addressed through the internet. I am disappointed that the Minister will not consider...

Member
Baroness Verma (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 October 2008
Reference
704 c1762-3
House
House of Lords

moved Amendment No. 21: 21: Clause 22, page 12, line 21, leave out paragraph (a) and insert— ““(a) particulars of the contravention of section 21 in respect of which the penalty is imposed,”” The noble Baroness said: My Lords, I welcome the careful scrutiny that the Select Committee on the...

Member
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 October 2008
Reference
704 c1763
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I welcome the Government’s amendments, which reflect concerns raised by the Constitution Committee. It is very important for employers—and I speak as one—to know exactly where they stand. It is crucial that they are able to appeal fines imposed on them under these clauses. I am pleased that...

Member
Baroness Verma (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 October 2008
Reference
704 c1763
House
House of Lords

My Lords, we on these Benches also welcome the direction in which the amendments are taking us. There is a recurring theme throughout this debate: the balance between persuasion and coercion. For the measures in the Bill to succeed, employers must be fully engaged with colleges, schools and other learning...

Member
Baroness Garden of Frognal (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 October 2008
Reference
704 c1764-5
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I am more than happy to write in detail to the noble Baroness, answering her questions in full. However, my main point is that in the Bill the whole emphasis on enforcement is to create a power not a duty. We are very much expecting local authorities to...

Member
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 October 2008
Reference
704 c1765
House
House of Lords

moved Amendment No. 22: 22: Clause 22, page 12, line 25, at end insert— ““( ) the steps that the employer may take if the employer objects to the giving of the penalty notice, including how the employer may appeal against it,”” On Question, amendment agreed to.

Member
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 October 2008
Reference
704 c1765
House
House of Lords

moved Amendments Nos. 25 to 30: 25: Clause 23, page 12, line 39, after ““where”” insert ““— (a) ”” 26: Clause 23, page 12, line 40, leave out ““(and has not already been withdrawn) and insert ““, and (b) any appeal made under section (Appeal against penalty notice given under...

Member
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 October 2008
Reference
704 c1766
House
House of Lords

moved Amendments Nos. 23 and 24: 23: After Clause 22, insert the following new Clause— ““Withdrawal or variation of penalty notice given under section 22 following notice of objection (1) This section applies where a penalty notice has been given to a person (““the employer””) under section 22 by a...

Member
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 October 2008
Reference
704 c1765-6
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I will have to get some help in obtaining an answer to the noble Lord’s question, so I will write to him.

Member
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 October 2008
Reference
704 c1755
House
House of Lords

My Lords, as far as I am advised, the noble Lord, Lord Elton, is wrong, but by the time I have finished speaking, I may have further inspiration so that I can give him a fuller answer. If I do not get further inspiration I shall ensure that he gets...

Member
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 October 2008
Reference
704 c1753-5
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords for their contributions to the debate. My noble friend Lady Perry raised a strong argument in our wishes to empower young people. These amendments offer the opportunity to provide that empowerment. I have listened with care to the Minister and I still believe...

Member
Baroness Verma (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
30 October 2008
Reference
704 c1756
House
House of Lords