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Committee stage first sitting (morning). Clauses 1 and 2 disagreed to. Clauses 3 to 5 agreed to, some with amendments. New clause considered. New Clause 1. Local Authority Contracts. Bill, as amended, to be reported.

Lead member
Chris White
Answering member
Nick Hurd
Department
Cabinet Office
Type
Debates on bills; Public Bill Committee proceedings
Date
19 October 2011
Reference
PBC
House
House of Commons

We must not let the example of one or two less successful projects restrict the opportunity for the public sector to enter into entrepreneurial projects with local groups. The spirit of enterprise does, of necessity, involve risk. We have seen that spirit in this nation over many decades, if not...

Member
Fiona Bruce (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Notes
Daily part printing error - Initially attributed to Harriett Baldwin; correction given in Daily Part at 519 c146.
Date
19 November 2010
Reference
518 c1221, (corrigendum) 519 c146;518 c1221
House
House of Commons

I would like to make some progress. I recognise that we face difficult challenges, but the proposals are something for which we can and should pay. A clearer set of proposals from central Government and a more strategic outlook will do a lot to help this emerging sector. In the...

Member
Chris White (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 November 2010
Reference
518 c1177-8
House
House of Commons

I congratulate the hon. Member for Warwick and Leamington (Chris White) on two counts: on being successful in the ballot at his first attempt, and on deciding to pursue such a course. At first sight, the measure appears relatively modest, but I genuinely believe that it is a small Bill...

Member
Hazel Blears (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 November 2010
Reference
518 c1178-9
House
House of Commons

I thank my hon. Friend for that informative intervention. I, too, represent a constituency that has many shining examples of big society organisations. From my perch on the investment committee at the Social Investment Business, I have been able to see many different social enterprises across the land that are...

Member
Harriett Baldwin (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 November 2010
Reference
518 c1185
House
House of Commons

We have enjoyed an interesting debate so far, and one that has on several occasions skirted around the general issues of interaction between the state, private enterprises, so-called social enterprises, charities and voluntary groups. It is a fascinating subject that deserves far greater discussion than even we have afforded it...

Member
Ben Gummer (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 November 2010
Reference
518 c1190-2
House
House of Commons

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time. I am proud to be able to stand here this morning and put this Bill before the House. Becoming the Member of Parliament for Warwick and Leamington has been a deeply humbling experience, and this Bill has...

Member
Chris White (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 November 2010
Reference
518 c1170-4
House
House of Commons

My hon. Friend will be aware, as a number of us are, of the concerns of the Federation of Small Businesses about his Bill—not about its avowed intentions, but about the possibility that it will have effects that are unintended but very damaging to the ability of small businesses to...

Member
Christopher Chope (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 November 2010
Reference
518 c1174
House
House of Commons

I am glad that my hon. Friend brings up the FSB, which wrote to us only this week to state that it supports the Bill in principle. I hope that we can pass an exact copy of the letter to his office to ensure that we can discuss the matter...

Member
Chris White (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 November 2010
Reference
518 c1174
House
House of Commons

May I assure my hon. Friend that only this morning I was talking to the deputy policy director of the FSB, who expressed her concern on behalf of the federation that he had not yet answered a lot of its concerns?

Member
Christopher Chope (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 November 2010
Reference
518 c1174
House
House of Commons

I do not know whether the deputy policy director has had the opportunity to discuss the Bill with the rest of her organisation, but all I can say is that we have had a clear statement of intent from the FSB that it supports the Bill in principle. The Bill...

Member
Chris White (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 November 2010
Reference
518 c1174-5
House
House of Commons

I am glad that my hon. Friend draws a distinction between values and price and that he recognises that great tapestry of rich value that comprises our lives. Does he agree, however, that a scale of values is absolutely intrinsic to individuals and that each of us values different aspects...

Member
Steve Baker (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 November 2010
Reference
518 c1175-6
House
House of Commons

I thank my hon. Friend for that. He has talked about two separate issues: the values of individuals and the values of our authorities and the commissioners in them. I think we would agree that those are different types of values; one involves people's personal interests, while the other involves...

Member
Chris White (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 November 2010
Reference
518 c1176
House
House of Commons

Now. Second Reading.

Member
Nadhim Zahawi (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 November 2010
Reference
518 c1170
House
House of Commons

On a point of order, Mr Speaker, I beg to move that the House sit in private. Question put forthwith (Standing Order No. 163), and negatived.

Member
Jacob Rees-Mogg (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 November 2010
Reference
518 c1170
House
House of Commons

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker.

Member
Jacob Rees-Mogg (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 November 2010
Reference
518 c1170
House
House of Commons

I have said that the Bill raises interesting questions and deserves a Second Reading, enabling some of those matters to be debated further in Committee, which will perhaps further expose the differences on the coalition Benches. What discussion of clause 2 has the hon. Member for Warwick and Leamington held...

Member
Jon Trickett (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 November 2010
Reference
518 c1207
House
House of Commons

Indeed. I do not want to rule out the possibility that charities may want to use loan finance from time to time; obviously, they often do. My point is that, in this sector, we do not need to rely solely on help from Government procurement and funding. I want to...

Member
Harriett Baldwin (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 November 2010
Reference
518 c1185-6
House
House of Commons

What I find most interesting about my hon. Friend's speech is that she is making the clear point that social enterprise is not the same as charity, and that it can be a financially and economically sustainable model.

Member
Daniel Byles (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 November 2010
Reference
518 c1185
House
House of Commons

It is my great pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for West Worcestershire (Harriett Baldwin) in supporting my hon. Friend the Member for Warwick and Leamington (Chris White) and his Bill. I also pay tribute to the right hon. Member for Salford and Eccles (Hazel Blears), who spoke...

Member
Richard Fuller (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
19 November 2010
Reference
518 c1186-7
House
House of Commons