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I have regular discussions with Welsh Assembly Government Ministers on a range of issues, including devolution in Wales. The Government are committed to giving the National Assembly for Wales new law-making powers through the provisions of the Government of Wales Act 2006.
I have regular discussions with Welsh Assembly Government Ministers on a range of issues, including devolution in Wales. The Government are committed to giving the National Assembly for Wales new law-making powers through the provisions of the Government of Wales Act 2006.
Answered by
Lord Murphy of Torfaen
(Labour)
Asked by
David TC Davies
(Conservative)
Answering body
Welsh Grand Committee
Type
Oral answers to questions
To ask the Secretary of State for Wales, what discussions he has had with the First Minister on devolving powers to the National Assembly for Wales.
Subjects
Devolution; Wales
Date
26 March 2008
Reference
WGC c10-1
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons Grand Committees
House
House of Commons
My view is that there is not a case for tax-raising powers in Wales for two reasons. First, I do not think that everybody wants them. Secondly, the resource base in Wales is inevitably lower than that in Scotland. As the hon. Gentleman knows, in the 1997 referendum in Scotland, the second question was whether the Scottish people agreed on tax powers. My guess is that it would be very difficult to have such tax-raising powers unless that was the will of the people, confirmed in a referendum. It is possible that taxation issues will arise during the months ahead when Sir Emyr Jones Parry deals with those matters. We will have to wait and see, but, at the moment, any referendum that is held will deal with the powers of the Assembly.
The second part of the hon. Gentleman’s question is really about Barnett and the commission that the Assembly is holding on that important issue. My view is that we must be careful about Barnett because we could end up worse off than we are. As he knows, there is the problem that, on average, more than £7,000 is spent per head in Wales, compared with just over £6,000 per head in England. Whether our English colleagues in some areas of the country will be prepared to accept that is quite another matter.
My view is that there is not a case for tax-raising powers in Wales for two reasons. First, I do not think that everybody wants them. Secondly, the resource base in Wales is inevitably lower than that in Scotland. As the hon. Gentleman knows, in the 1997 referendum in Scotland, the second question was whether the Scottish people agreed on tax powers. My guess is that it would be very difficult to have such tax-raising powers unless that was the will of the people, confirmed in a referendum. It is possible that taxation issues will arise during the months ahead when Sir Emyr Jones Parry deals with those matters. We will have to wait and see, but, at the moment, any referendum that is held will deal with the powers of the Assembly.
The second part of the hon. Gentleman’s question is really about Barnett and the commission that the Assembly is holding on that important issue. My view is that we must be careful about Barnett because we could end up worse off than we are. As he knows, there is the problem that, on average, more than £7,000 is spent per head in Wales, compared with just over £6,000 per head in England. Whether our English colleagues in some areas of the country will be prepared to accept that is quite another matter.
Answered by
Lord Murphy of Torfaen
(Labour)
Asked by
Adam Price
(Plaid Cymru)
Answering body
Welsh Grand Committee
Type
Oral answers to questions
The Calman review, a joint commission between the Scottish Parliament and the Westminster Government, is about to begin investigating the case for tax-varying powers for Scotland. That will also be a subject for a commission that is due to be established by the Welsh Assembly Government. Will the Secretary of State say whether the Government are as committed to exploring the case for tax-varying powers for Wales as they are for Scotland? Will the Assembly commission have the same access to Treasury officials and information as the Scottish review?
Subjects
Devolution; Wales
Date
26 March 2008
Reference
WGC c11-2
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons Grand Committees
House
House of Commons
Well, there are many examples from previous jobs that I have done. The Committee can understand that, if we had revealed, for example, the correspondence of my right hon. Friend the Member for Neath, the former Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, there could have been serious difficulties in dealing with the problems of relations between the two separate Governments. I am talking about the general principle.
Well, there are many examples from previous jobs that I have done. The Committee can understand that, if we had revealed, for example, the correspondence of my right hon. Friend the Member for Neath, the former Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, there could have been serious difficulties in dealing with the problems of relations between the two separate Governments. I am talking about the general principle.
Answered by
Lord Murphy of Torfaen
(Labour)
Asked by
Cheryl Gillan
(Conservative)
Answering body
Welsh Grand Committee
Type
Oral answers to questions
Why not? It is about the legislative process.
Subjects
Devolution; Wales
Date
26 March 2008
Reference
WGC c12
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons Grand Committees
House
House of Commons
I am not sure whether that is the official Conservative position, but it is certainly not the Government’s.
I am not sure whether that is the official Conservative position, but it is certainly not the Government’s.
Answered by
Lord Murphy of Torfaen
(Labour)
Asked by
David TC Davies
(Conservative)
Answering body
Welsh Grand Committee
Type
Oral answers to questions
Given that the Welsh Assembly has already been given further powers through that Act without any reference to the Welsh people in a further referendum, does the Secretary of State agree that it would be fair and reasonable to look at the possibility of removing powers from the Welsh Assembly in areas where its delivery of public services has fallen below that which should be expected by all citizens of what I like to call Great Britain?
Subjects
Devolution; Wales
Date
26 March 2008
Reference
WGC c11
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons Grand Committees
House
House of Commons
The reply will come to the hon. Lady from an official in the Wales Office because that is how the process works. I hope that it will be in her office in a matter of days.
On the first part of the hon. Lady’s question, I think that most Ministers and ex-Ministers agree that it would not be wise to put in the public domain certain issues that have to be dealt with because doing so would impede good relations—in this case, between the Assembly and the Government.
The reply will come to the hon. Lady from an official in the Wales Office because that is how the process works. I hope that it will be in her office in a matter of days.
On the first part of the hon. Lady’s question, I think that most Ministers and ex-Ministers agree that it would not be wise to put in the public domain certain issues that have to be dealt with because doing so would impede good relations—in this case, between the Assembly and the Government.
Answered by
Lord Murphy of Torfaen
(Labour)
Asked by
Cheryl Gillan
(Conservative)
Answering body
Welsh Grand Committee
Type
Oral answers to questions
What discussions has the Secretary of State had with the National Assembly for Wales about my written question and my subsequent freedom of information request on releasing the correspondence between his Department, the National Assembly for Wales and the Welsh Assembly Government between 1 May 2007 and 1 February 2008, relating to the legislative procedure for Wales, including legislative competence orders? Will he explain why he wrote that making such correspondence available would
““restrict our ability to conduct business effectively.””—[Official Report, 12 March 2008; Vol. 473, c. 461W.]?
When will he reply to the freedom of information request that I sent at the same time as I tabled the question?
Subjects
Devolution; Wales
Date
26 March 2008
Reference
WGC c11
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons Grand Committees
House
House of Commons
The hon. Lady knows that there are many examples in Government where we cannot reveal all the correspondence simply because it is in the public interest.
The hon. Lady knows that there are many examples in Government where we cannot reveal all the correspondence simply because it is in the public interest.
Answered by
Lord Murphy of Torfaen
(Labour)
Asked by
Cheryl Gillan
(Conservative)
Answering body
Welsh Grand Committee
Type
Oral answers to questions
On the answer that the Secretary of State gave me earlier, how could making the correspondence available possibly impede his ability to do business with the Welsh Assembly Government? After all, both ends of the equation are familiar with the correspondence. Is it not the truth that the correspondence is being hidden from every member of the Committee, every Member of the House and every Member of the Welsh Assembly who is not in the Government in Cardiff bay?
I think that it is wrong to conceal from us correspondence about the way in which we legislate for Wales. I ask the Secretary of State to look again at the answer that he gave me and to consider the answer that was given by the Welsh Assembly Government that it was against public interest to reveal the correspondence. Will he please talk to his officials? To conceal correspondence on the legislative processes for Wales is not good enough.
Subjects
Devolution; Wales
Date
26 March 2008
Reference
WGC c12
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons Grand Committees
House
House of Commons
On the answer that the Secretary of State gave me earlier, how could making the correspondence available possibly impede his ability to do business with the Welsh Assembly Government? After all, both ends of the equation are familiar with the correspondence. Is it not the truth that the correspondence is being hidden from every member of the Committee, every Member of the House and every Member of the Welsh Assembly who is not in the Government in Cardiff bay?
I think that it is wrong to conceal from us correspondence about the way in which we legislate for Wales. I ask the Secretary of State to look again at the answer that he gave me and to consider the answer that was given by the Welsh Assembly Government that it was against public interest to reveal the correspondence. Will he please talk to his officials? To conceal correspondence on the legislative processes for Wales is not good enough.
On the answer that the Secretary of State gave me earlier, how could making the correspondence available possibly impede his ability to do business with the Welsh Assembly Government? After all, both ends of the equation are familiar with the correspondence. Is it not the truth that the correspondence is being hidden from every member of the Committee, every Member of the House and every Member of the Welsh Assembly who is not in the Government in Cardiff bay?
I think that it is wrong to conceal from us correspondence about the way in which we legislate for Wales. I ask the Secretary of State to look again at the answer that he gave me and to consider the answer that was given by the Welsh Assembly Government that it was against public interest to reveal the correspondence. Will he please talk to his officials? To conceal correspondence on the legislative processes for Wales is not good enough.
Asked by
Cheryl Gillan
(Conservative)
Answering body
Welsh Grand Committee
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
26 March 2008
The hon. Lady knows that there are many examples in Government where we cannot reveal all the correspondence simply because it is in the public interest.
Subjects
Devolution; Wales
Date
26 March 2008
Reference
WGC c12
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons Grand Committees
House
House of Commons
Why not? It is about the legislative process.
Why not? It is about the legislative process.
Asked by
Cheryl Gillan
(Conservative)
Answering body
Welsh Grand Committee
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
26 March 2008
Well, there are many examples from previous jobs that I have done. The Committee can understand that, if we had revealed, for example, the correspondence of my right hon. Friend the Member for Neath, the former Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, there could have been serious difficulties in dealing with the problems of relations between the two separate Governments. I am talking about the general principle.
Subjects
Devolution; Wales
Date
26 March 2008
Reference
WGC c12
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons Grand Committees
House
House of Commons
The Calman review, a joint commission between the Scottish Parliament and the Westminster Government, is about to begin investigating the case for tax-varying powers for Scotland. That will also be a subject for a commission that is due to be established by the Welsh Assembly Government. Will the Secretary of State say whether the Government are as committed to exploring the case for tax-varying powers for Wales as they are for Scotland? Will the Assembly commission have the same access to Treasury officials and information as the Scottish review?
The Calman review, a joint commission between the Scottish Parliament and the Westminster Government, is about to begin investigating the case for tax-varying powers for Scotland. That will also be a subject for a commission that is due to be established by the Welsh Assembly Government. Will the Secretary of State say whether the Government are as committed to exploring the case for tax-varying powers for Wales as they are for Scotland? Will the Assembly commission have the same access to Treasury officials and information as the Scottish review?
Asked by
Adam Price
(Plaid Cymru)
Answering body
Welsh Grand Committee
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
26 March 2008
My view is that there is not a case for tax-raising powers in Wales for two reasons. First, I do not think that everybody wants them. Secondly, the resource base in Wales is inevitably lower than that in Scotland. As the hon. Gentleman knows, in the 1997 referendum in Scotland, the second question was whether the Scottish people agreed on tax powers. My guess is that it would be very difficult to have such tax-raising powers unless that was the will of the people, confirmed in a referendum. It is possible that taxation issues will arise during the months ahead when Sir Emyr Jones Parry deals with those matters. We will have to wait and see, but, at the moment, any referendum that is held will deal with the powers of the Assembly.
The second part of the hon. Gentleman’s question is really about Barnett and the commission that the Assembly is holding on that important issue. My view is that we must be careful about Barnett because we could end up worse off than we are. As he knows, there is the problem that, on average, more than £7,000 is spent per head in Wales, compared with just over £6,000 per head in England. Whether our English colleagues in some areas of the country will be prepared to accept that is quite another matter.
Subjects
Devolution; Wales
Date
26 March 2008
Reference
WGC c11-2
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons Grand Committees
House
House of Commons
What discussions has the Secretary of State had with the National Assembly for Wales about my written question and my subsequent freedom of information request on releasing the correspondence between his Department, the National Assembly for Wales and the Welsh Assembly Government between 1 May 2007 and 1 February 2008, relating to the legislative procedure for Wales, including legislative competence orders? Will he explain why he wrote that making such correspondence available would
““restrict our ability to conduct business effectively.””—[Official Report, 12 March 2008; Vol. 473, c. 461W.]?
When will he reply to the freedom of information request that I sent at the same time as I tabled the question?
What discussions has the Secretary of State had with the National Assembly for Wales about my written question and my subsequent freedom of information request on releasing the correspondence between his Department, the National Assembly for Wales and the Welsh Assembly Government between 1 May 2007 and 1 February 2008, relating to the legislative procedure for Wales, including legislative competence orders? Will he explain why he wrote that making such correspondence available would
““restrict our ability to conduct business effectively.””—[Official Report, 12 March 2008; Vol. 473, c. 461W.]?
When will he reply to the freedom of information request that I sent at the same time as I tabled the question?
Asked by
Cheryl Gillan
(Conservative)
Answering body
Welsh Grand Committee
Oral questions - Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
26 March 2008
The reply will come to the hon. Lady from an official in the Wales Office because that is how the process works. I hope that it will be in her office in a matter of days.
On the first part of the hon. Lady’s question, I think that most Ministers and ex-Ministers agree that it would not be wise to put in the public domain certain issues that have to be dealt with because doing so would impede good relations—in this case, between the Assembly and the Government.
Subjects
Devolution; Wales
Date
26 March 2008
Reference
WGC c11
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons Grand Committees
House
House of Commons
Given that the Welsh Assembly has already been given further powers through that Act without any reference to the Welsh people in a further referendum, does the Secretary of State agree that it would be fair and reasonable to look at the possibility of removing powers from the Welsh Assembly in areas where its delivery of public services has fallen below that which should be expected by all citizens of what I like to call Great Britain?
Given that the Welsh Assembly has already been given further powers through that Act without any reference to the Welsh people in a further referendum, does the Secretary of State agree that it would be fair and reasonable to look at the possibility of removing powers from the Welsh Assembly in areas where its delivery of public services has fallen below that which should be expected by all citizens of what I like to call Great Britain?
Asked by
David TC Davies
(Conservative)
Answering body
Welsh Grand Committee
Oral questions - 1st Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
26 March 2008
I am not sure whether that is the official Conservative position, but it is certainly not the Government’s.
Subjects
Devolution; Wales
Date
26 March 2008
Reference
WGC c11
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons Grand Committees
House
House of Commons
To ask the Secretary of State for Wales, what discussions he has had with the First Minister on devolving powers to the National Assembly for Wales.
To ask the Secretary of State for Wales, what discussions he has had with the First Minister on devolving powers to the National Assembly for Wales.
Asked by
David TC Davies
(Conservative)
Answered by
Lord Murphy of Torfaen
(Labour)
Answering body
Welsh Grand Committee
Oral questions - Lead
Status
Answered
Answered on
26 March 2008
I have regular discussions with Welsh Assembly Government Ministers on a range of issues, including devolution in Wales. The Government are committed to giving the National Assembly for Wales new law-making powers through the provisions of the Government of Wales Act 2006.
Subjects
Devolution; Wales
Date
26 March 2008
Reference
WGC c10-1; 195516
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons Grand Committees
House
House of Commons
1st supplementary on consultants contracts.
1st supplementary on consultants contracts.
Asked by
Alan W Williams
(Labour)
Answering body
Welsh Grand Committee
Oral questions - 1st Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
20 June 2000
Subjects
Contracts; Devolution; Consultants; Hospitals; NHS; Wales; Joint Ministerial Committee on Health
Date
20 June 2000
Reference
WGC c4-5
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons Grand Committees
House
House of Commons
To ask the Secretary of State for Wales, If he will make a statement on the Joint Ministerial Committee on Health which met on Monday 5th June. (Failed OPQ). - Ref to WGC c4-5.
To ask the Secretary of State for Wales, If he will make a statement on the Joint Ministerial Committee on Health which met on Monday 5th June. (Failed OPQ). - Ref to WGC c4-5.
Asked by
Jackie Lawrence
(Labour)
Answered by
Lord Murphy of Torfaen
(Labour)
Answering body
Welsh Grand Committee
Type
Written questions
Status
Answered
Tabled on
7 June 2000
For answer on
20 June 2000
Answered on
20 June 2000
Subjects
Devolution; NHS; Modernisation; Reform; Wales; Joint Ministerial Committee on Health
Date
20 June 2000
Reference
125661; WGC c80
House
House of Commons
To ask the Secretary of State for Wales, If he will make a statement on the meeting of the Joint Ministerial Committee on 5th June to discuss modernisation of the National Health Service.
To ask the Secretary of State for Wales, If he will make a statement on the meeting of the Joint Ministerial Committee on 5th June to discuss modernisation of the National Health Service.
Asked by
Alan W Williams
(Labour)
Answered by
Lord Murphy of Torfaen
(Labour)
Answering body
Welsh Grand Committee
Oral questions - Lead
Status
Answered
Answered on
20 June 2000
Subjects
Contracts; Devolution; Consultants; Hospitals; NHS; Wales; Joint Ministerial Committee on Health
Date
20 June 2000
Reference
WGC c4-5; 125650
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons Grand Committees
House
House of Commons
Answered by
Lord Murphy of Torfaen
(Labour)
Asked by
Alan W Williams
(Labour)
Answering body
Welsh Grand Committee
Type
Oral answers to questions
To ask the Secretary of State for Wales, If he will make a statement on the meeting of the Joint Ministerial Committee on 5th June to discuss modernisation of the National Health Service.
Subjects
Contracts; Devolution; Consultants; Hospitals; NHS; Wales; Joint Ministerial Committee on Health
Date
20 June 2000
Reference
WGC c4-5
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons Grand Committees
House
House of Commons
Answered by
Lord Murphy of Torfaen
(Labour)
Answering body
Welsh Grand Committee
Type
Oral answers to questions
Subjects
Contracts; Devolution; Consultants; Hospitals; NHS; Wales; Joint Ministerial Committee on Health
Date
20 June 2000
Reference
WGC c4-5
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons Grand Committees
House
House of Commons
To ask the Secretary of State for Wales, What plans he has to amend the powers of the National Assembly for Wales. (Failed OPQ).
To ask the Secretary of State for Wales, What plans he has to amend the powers of the National Assembly for Wales. (Failed OPQ).
Asked by
Paul Flynn
(Labour)
Answered by
Lord Murphy of Torfaen
(Labour)
Answering body
Welsh Grand Committee
Type
Written questions
Status
Answered
Tabled on
21 March 2000
For answer on
4 April 2000
Answered on
4 April 2000
Subjects
Devolution; Powers; National Assembly for Wales
Date
4 April 2000
Reference
WGC c40; 116182
House
House of Commons
1st supplementary on same.
1st supplementary on same.
Asked by
Gareth Thomas (Clwyd West)
(Labour)
Answering body
Welsh Grand Committee
Oral questions - 1st Supplementary
Status
Answered
Answered on
14 December 1999
Subjects
Devolution; Government departments; National Assembly for Wales; Wales; Reserved matters
Date
14 December 1999
Reference
WGC c7-8
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons Grand Committees
House
House of Commons
What discussions he has had with the First Secretary about developing further the partnership between the National Assembly for Wales and Departments on matters not devolved to the Assembly.
What discussions he has had with the First Secretary about developing further the partnership between the National Assembly for Wales and Departments on matters not devolved to the Assembly.
Asked by
Gareth Thomas (Clwyd West)
(Labour)
Answered by
Lord Murphy of Torfaen
(Labour)
Answering body
Welsh Grand Committee
Oral questions - Lead
Status
Answered
Answered on
14 December 1999
Subjects
Devolution; Government departments; National Assembly for Wales; Wales; Reserved matters
Date
14 December 1999
Reference
WGC c7-8; 101530
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons Grand Committees
House
House of Commons