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Lords report stage first day. Amendment 8 disagreed to on division (86 to 167). Amendments 9 and 14 agreed to. (Part 2 of 2).

Lead member
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath; Lord Leong
Answering member
Viscount Camrose; Lord Sharpe of Epsom
Department
Department for Business and Trade
Type
Debates on bills
Date
26 February 2025
Reference
843 cc1769-1785
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Lord Sharpe of Epsom

8: Clause 1, page 1, line 12, at end insert—

“(2A) The Secretary of State may not make regulations under subsection (2) that will disadvantage the United Kingdom or its trade under—

(a) the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership,

(b) the Japan Economic Comprehensive Partnership Agreement,

(c) the...

Member
Lord Sharpe of Epsom (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 February 2025
Reference
843 c1769
House
House of Lords

My Lords, Amendment 8 is a vital safeguard to ensure that the UK’s regulatory decisions do not inadvertently disadvantage our trade relationships with some of the world’s most dynamic economies. The global economic balance is shifting. Others have alluded to the statistics in previous debates, but they are very straightforward...

Member
Lord Sharpe of Epsom (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 February 2025
Reference
843 cc1769-1771
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I will speak to Amendments 8 and 64 in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Sharpe. We are playing on a similar set of variations that we have already played on in several groups. These two amendments are intended to impose additional restrictions on the implementation of...

Member
Lord Fox (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 February 2025
Reference
843 cc1770-2
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords for their contributions to this debate. The UK Government remain firmly committed to maintaining and enhancing our international trade relationships, ensuring that the UK remains an attractive and competitive trading partner and creating opportunities for UK businesses.

This is an enabling Bill; it does...

Member
Lord Leong (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 February 2025
Reference
843 cc1772-3
House
House of Lords

I thank both noble Lords for their responses. I will answer some of the specific questions asked by the noble Lord, Lord Fox. First, I am very grateful for him calling me a Minister on more than one occasion; I would that were the case.

Member
Lord Sharpe of Epsom (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 February 2025
Reference
843 c1773
House
House of Lords

It is Stockholm syndrome.

Member
Lord Fox (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 February 2025
Reference
843 c1773
House
House of Lords

Secondly, I point out that the amendment does not prevent; it just says that it should not “disadvantage”. That is not mere semantics but a very substantive point which, I would argue, invalidates the noble Lord’s arguments.

To both noble Lords I would say that the reason I chose the agri-food...

Member
Lord Sharpe of Epsom (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 February 2025
Reference
843 cc1757-1774
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Lord Fox

9: Clause 1, page 1, line 21, at end insert—

“(4A) The Secretary of State must publish a statement setting out how they expect to identify and assess risks presented by products for the purposes of this section.

(4B) A statement published under subsection (4A) may be amended or replaced...

Member
Lord Fox (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 February 2025
Reference
843 cc1776-1761
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Lord Holmes of Richmond

10: Clause 1, page 2, line 6, at end insert “, and includes production reliant on software or artificial intelligence.”

Member
Lord Holmes of Richmond (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 February 2025
Reference
843 cc1763-4
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendments 27, 34 to 37 and 40, also in my name. In a Bill that is completely absent of AI and silent on technology, how fortunate it is that we have a group of amendments dedicated almost exclusively to the subject of artificial...

Member
Lord Holmes of Richmond (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 February 2025
Reference
843 cc1764-1777
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I will speak to Amendments 34, 35, 36 and 37, in the name of my noble friend Lord Holmes, and Amendment 43, in the name of my noble friend Lord Sharpe. I draw noble Lords’ attention to the fact that I am not doing so from the Front...

Member
Viscount Camrose (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 February 2025
Reference
843 cc1777-8
House
House of Lords

My Lords, briefly, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Holmes, for bringing this up. It was a good idea to have these amendments, and clearly the issue comes in two different parts.

I was happy to vote for the amendment in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron. The issue...

Member
Lord Fox (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 February 2025
Reference
843 c1779
House
House of Lords

That was an interesting, if brief, debate. Before speaking to my amendment, I thank my noble friend Lord Holmes for his important amendments. As has been pointed out, Amendment 37 deals with the concept of “inclusive by design”, which is obviously vital in creating products that cater for everyone. It...

Member
Lord Sharpe of Epsom (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 February 2025
Reference
843 cc1779-1780
House
House of Lords

My Lords, although it has been a short debate it has been a very interesting one that covered areas much wider than the Bill encompasses, but we do take very careful note of the points being raised.

I say to the noble Lord, Lord Holmes, that I very much take his...

Member
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 February 2025
Reference
843 cc1780-1
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have taken part in this short debate. I fear I might have got the noble Lord, Lord Fox, more on side if I talked about AI lawn-mowers, but perhaps that is for another evening. I thank the Minister for his response and...

Member
Lord Holmes of Richmond (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 February 2025
Reference
843 c1782
House
House of Lords

Moved by

Lord Leong

14: Clause 2, page 2, line 28, at end insert—

“(aa) the installation of products;”

Member’s explanatory statement

This amendment clarifies that product regulations may include requirements relating to the installation of products.

Member
Lord Leong (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 February 2025
Reference
843 c1767
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I will try to be brief on this set of government amendments, as outlined in the Marshalled List. They are largely intended to ensure absolute clarity and that the Bill covers a number of matters raised by noble Lords in Committee. Amendments 14 and 17 make clear that...

Member
Lord Leong (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 February 2025
Reference
843 cc1767-1783
House
House of Lords

My Lords, while the Minister recovers his breath, we will all carefully reflect on every word that he has just said but, given the speed with which he delivered that speech, I hope he will forgive me if I do not respond in detail. I shall just deal with what...

Member
Lord Hunt of Wirral (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 February 2025
Reference
843 c1783
House
House of Lords

My Lords, I thank the Minister and the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, for their comments. The noble Lord, Lord Hunt, in the amendments that he is putting forward, really puts his finger on the problem and the challenge of defining an online marketplace. What was not an online marketplace yesterday...

Member
Lord Fox (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
26 February 2025
Reference
843 cc1783-4
House
House of Lords