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Thank you, Mr Speaker. I reassure you that, given the expertise of some Government Members, and one in particular, the papers in front of me are there to provide a factual basis on which I can respond to them. I am coming on to conclude my particular comments.

The broad point...

Member
Adrian Bailey (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 January 2015
Reference
590 c413
House
House of Commons

Eighteenth backbench debate (part one). Motion that this House notes the third report from the Business, Innovation and Skills Committee, Student Loans, HC 558, and the Government response, HC 777; and calls on the Government to outline proposals that will sustain funding for the sector while addressing the projected deficit...

Lead member
Adrian Bailey
Answering member
Greg Clark
Department
Department for Education; Business, Innovation and Skills Committee
Type
Backbench debates; Debates on select committee reports
Date
8 January 2015
Reference
590 cc407-449
House
House of Commons

I beg to move,

That this House notes the Third Report from the Business, Innovation and Skills Committee, Student Loans, HC 558, and the Government response, HC 777; and calls on the Government to outline proposals that will sustain funding for the sector while addressing the projected deficit in public funding.

I...

Member
Adrian Bailey (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 January 2015
Reference
590 c407
House
House of Commons

My hon. Friend will know that I used to co-chair the Higher Education Commission. I have a copy of the “Too Good to Fail” report, which we produced on an all-party basis, and I thank him for mentioning it.

Member
Barry Sheerman (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 January 2015
Reference
590 c407
House
House of Commons

I understand that my hon. Friend is due to speak, so although I will draw on his report, I will not pre-empt him by discussing its conclusions.

The motion mainly deals with the policy’s public spending and budgetary aspects, but it is important to recognise that we are not just talking...

Member
Adrian Bailey (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 January 2015
Reference
590 cc407-8
House
House of Commons

I congratulate my hon. Friend and the Business, Innovation and Skills Committee on its report. Clearly, the size of student loans reflects in great part the size of fees. I have read the Government’s response to the consultation in which they state that they have

“no current plans to initiate a...

Member
Paul Farrelly (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 January 2015
Reference
590 c408
House
House of Commons

My hon. Friend, as ever, touches on the key issue underlined in the Committee’s report, and I will address that issue in due course.

As I was saying, higher education is a success story and vital for our economy, our society and the aspirations of millions of young people in the...

Member
Adrian Bailey (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 January 2015
Reference
590 c408
House
House of Commons

The IFS and the commission report highlighted the fact that many students we interviewed had no idea that the debt would be that much. They will possibly never be eligible to get a mortgage later on, which I find absolutely stunning, astounding and disgraceful.

Member
Barry Sheerman (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 January 2015
Reference
590 c408
House
House of Commons

It is fair to say that the full implications and potential consequences of the projected level of debt for millions of people have yet to be worked through. We are not yet aware of how it will affect people’s economic behaviour when they have that level of debt.

Member
Adrian Bailey (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 January 2015
Reference
590 c409
House
House of Commons

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Member
Brian Binley (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 January 2015
Reference
590 c409
House
House of Commons

I will give way to my fellow Committee member.

Member
Adrian Bailey (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 January 2015
Reference
590 c409
House
House of Commons

Many of us feel that the contributions being demanded are often too great, but I would not want to overstate that to the point at which we begin to believe that no student will ever be able to buy their own house. That is more than a slight exaggeration and...

Member
Brian Binley (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 January 2015
Reference
590 c409
House
House of Commons

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his observation. When I speak to sixth formers and potential undergraduates I always make the point that, compared with the cumulative spend in their lifetimes on cars that depreciate immediately, investing in their education is a very good investment. But it will have consequences...

Member
Adrian Bailey (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 January 2015
Reference
590 c409
House
House of Commons

I am sure that my hon. Friend would not wish to mislead the House and I know that he is replying to an intervention, but the IFS study says that middle earners—the public administrators, the health and education workers—will be particularly affected. That is 40% of graduates, so we are...

Member
Barry Sheerman (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 January 2015
Reference
590 c409
House
House of Commons

I understand the point that my hon. Friend makes and I could talk about it at some length, but I recognise that other people wish to speak in the debate so I will not pursue it any further.

It is now clear that the level of debt repayments is predicted to...

Member
Adrian Bailey (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 January 2015
Reference
590 cc409-410
House
House of Commons

Does the Chair of the Select Committee accept that, when I was in charge of the Department for Innovation, Universities and Skills, we put considerable effort into trying to sell the previous loan book? We concluded that the inevitable uncertainties—future inflation rates, earnings rates and so on—made it quite impossible...

Member
John Denham (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 January 2015
Reference
590 c410
House
House of Commons

I agree with my right hon. Friend. Indeed, the report’s recommendations underline that point. It is significant in another way, too: it was a tacit recognition by the Chancellor that if he were to expand the number of places, extra money would have to come from somewhere, and that that...

Member
Adrian Bailey (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 January 2015
Reference
590 c410
House
House of Commons

The hon. Gentleman talks about costs, budgets and public spending. In the interests of having a clear debate, will he confirm that the resource accounting and budgeting charge is not an item of public expending, as it appears in the national budget or the national accounts?

Member
Lord Willetts (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 January 2015
Reference
590 c410
House
House of Commons

I understand, because I have heard the former Minister’s, shall we say, robust prosecution of this particular argument before. May I make an admission? I am not an accountant. All I do is go by what the authoritative bodies say. If the right hon. Gentleman wishes to argue with them...

Member
Adrian Bailey (Labour; Co-operative Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 January 2015
Reference
590 c410
House
House of Commons

May I add to my hon. Friend’s point? The Office for Budget Responsibility’s fiscal responsibility report makes it clear that there are three sets of national accounts: whole Government accounts, national accounts and resource accounts. The comments made by the right hon. Member for Havant (Mr Willetts) apply to only...

Member
John Denham (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
8 January 2015
Reference
590 c410
House
House of Commons