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I. Data handling procedures in government: interim progress report. 14 p. II. Capability review of HM Revenue and Customs. 35 p.

Deposited by
Cabinet Office
Type
Deposited papers
Date
17 December 2007
Reference
DEP2007-0375
House
House of Lords; House of Commons

I agree with much of what my right hon. Friend has said. I certainly agree that, as I said in my statement, all of us should acknowledge the hard work and dedication of staff at Revenue and Customs. It is a major exercise to bring together two major departments. Perhaps...

Member
Lord Darling of Roulanish (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2007
Reference
469 c615-6
House
House of Commons

No, Mr. Poynter will not be looking into that. If the hon. Lady would care to table a parliamentary question on the number of people who contacted the hotline, I will certainly answer it. We were anxious to make sure that a helpline was available fairly quickly, which meant that...

Member
Lord Darling of Roulanish (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2007
Reference
469 c620
House
House of Commons

Statement on the loss of child benefit records at Revenue and Customs.

Lead member
Lord Darling of Roulanish
Department
Treasury
Type
Ministerial statements
Date
17 December 2007
Reference
469 c612-23
House
House of Commons

With your permission, Mr. Speaker, I should like to make a statement on the progress report by Kieran Poynter, chairman and senior partner of PricewaterhouseCoopers, on the loss of child benefit records at Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs. Before I turn to that, I can confirm that the police investigation...

Member
Lord Darling of Roulanish (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2007
Reference
469 c612-3
House
House of Commons

First, I want to reiterate to the Chancellor the sense of anger and betrayal felt by millions of people at the loss of their children's data and their own data. Today the Chancellor has to explain HMRC's responsibility for the most catastrophic data security breach in British history, against a...

Member
Lord Hammond of Runnymede (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2007
Reference
469 c613-5
House
House of Commons

First, I am grateful to the shadow Chancellor for taking the trouble to write to me to explain why he could not be here this afternoon; I quite understand his reasons. However, it is clear that his deputy had nothing in particular to say. I asked Mr. Poynter to look...

Member
Lord Darling of Roulanish (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2007
Reference
469 c615
House
House of Commons

When he appeared before the Treasury Committee, Dave Hartnett, the acting head of Revenue and Customs, left open the question whether there were systemic flaws. No doubt in the coming weeks we will question both him and the National Audit Office. The NAO is very much involved in the situation,...

Member
Lord McFall of Alcluith (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2007
Reference
469 c615
House
House of Commons

May I thank the Chancellor for his courtesy in bringing us up to date? I hope that he appreciates the damage that has been done to public confidence by this episode, compounded by the events in Coventry and the report on the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency about which we...

Member
Vincent Cable (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2007
Reference
469 c616-7
House
House of Commons

As I said a few moments ago, I can confirm that various materials have gone missing from a warehouse. [Hon. Members: ““What are they?””] The matter is being investigated by the police, and in view of that I do not think I should say anything further.

Member
Lord Darling of Roulanish (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2007
Reference
469 c623
House
House of Commons

The Chancellor has confirmed that a theft took place from a secure HMRC store in Coventry. Will he now tell us exactly what went missing? Did it involve drugs, or guns? What action has been taken to recover the property? Is all this the result of a systems breakdown across...

Member
Brian Binley (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2007
Reference
469 c623
House
House of Commons

I have many discussions with my colleagues about a range of matters, almost continuously.

Member
Lord Darling of Roulanish (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2007
Reference
469 c623
House
House of Commons

The whole House will be relieved to see that the Minister for the Cabinet Office is present, as he responsible for information security. What discussions has the Chancellor had with the Minister? In particular, when did he brief him on the report that he received in February from Sir Edmund...

Member
Greg Clark (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2007
Reference
469 c623
House
House of Commons

It is not possible to answer that question at the moment. What I will say is that I think it entirely right that the police were called in, entirely right that HMRC has devoted considerable resources to trying recover the data, and entirely right that we should spend the appropriate...

Member
Lord Darling of Roulanish (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2007
Reference
469 c623
House
House of Commons

Since this problem occurred two months ago, millions of letters have been sent to families apologising for the fact that their details were given out, and thousands of hours of officials' and police time have been spent on trying to resolve the problem. What, to date, is the total cost...

Member
Charles Walker (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2007
Reference
469 c623
House
House of Commons

I think that I said on 20 November, when I made my earlier statement, that the data were password-protected, but I also said that they needed to be encrypted in order to be protected more adequately. Monitoring will continue for the foreseeable future, but one of the things on which...

Member
Lord Darling of Roulanish (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2007
Reference
469 c622
House
House of Commons

I asked Kieran Poynter—with, I think, general support—to take a thorough look at what had happened, at the previous incidents, and at anything else that he considered relevant. Inevitably, coming to the House with an interim report that is only three weeks old leaves a number of entirely legitimate questions...

Member
Lord Darling of Roulanish (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2007
Reference
469 c622
House
House of Commons

How long can it take Kieran Poynter to establish the answer to that simple question? Dave Hartnett, the HMRC's acting chairman, said two weeks ago that that was one of the items that Kieran Poynter would consider. It would be a very simple matter to find out how much it...

Member
Richard Bacon (Conservative)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2007
Reference
469 c622
House
House of Commons

The Chancellor says that there is no evidence of attempts to commit fraud by means of the data. That may not be altogether surprising, given the immense publicity and increased awareness over the last couple of months, but do the data not give rise to the possibility of fraud for...

Member
Mike Weir (Scottish National Party)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2007
Reference
469 c622
House
House of Commons

I agree that it is important to put in place safeguards, not just for the United Kingdom Government but for the devolved Administrations, and Sir Gus O'Donnell's report makes specific mention of that. I do not agree with the hon. Gentleman, however, about ID cards. As I said to the...

Member
Lord Darling of Roulanish (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
17 December 2007
Reference
469 c621-2
House
House of Commons