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: I agree, but it is important to have information about those items that are not provided, so that we can consider sensibly whether an assumption that the private sector can come and sweep up the market is dogmatic or realistic. I hope that the Minister will insist on having...

Member
Judy Mallaber (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 July 2005
Reference
436 c3-4WH
House
House of Commons

The hon. Lady is speaking up powerfully for her constituents. Does she think that anything of an inherent public service ethos is to be found in this process? After all, Tesco has to have extraordinarily reliable, up-to-the-minute delivery systems and so on as well. Could the hon. Lady clarify why...

Member
Steve Webb (Liberal Democrat)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 July 2005
Reference
436 c4WH
House
House of Commons

: The review was conducted some time ago and it makes interesting reading on the potential for market expansion. The report recognises that we should not expect all NHS supplies to be provided centrally. Sometimes, therefore, it is not necessarily sensible to say that a certain proportion should be provided...

Member
Judy Mallaber (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 July 2005
Reference
436 c3WH
House
House of Commons

: Further to the question that my hon. Friend the Member for Weaver Vale (Mr. Hall) asked about the 1998 Cabinet Office report, does my hon. Friend recognise that parts of it are not really relevant now, given the expansion of NHS resources since 2001? The authors of the report...

Member
Jonathan Shaw (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 July 2005
Reference
436 c3WH
House
House of Commons

: Yes, I am. NHS Logistics has won a string of awards. For example, last year it won an IT technology award for which it was praised by Sir Nigel Crisp. I am particularly interested in the IT awards, because we are told that the need for investment in a...

Member
Judy Mallaber (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 July 2005
Reference
436 c1-3WH
House
House of Commons

Some queries have been raised against the validity of the Cabinet Office study to which my hon. Friend referred. Would she like to comment on that?

Member
Mike Hall (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 July 2005
Reference
436 c3WH
House
House of Commons

I apologise for my late arrival, Mr. Olner, but I have rarely seen such appalling traffic as I encountered on my way here. I am pleased to have secured this debate about the future of NHS Logistics and the market testing process being carried out as part of the review...

Member
Judy Mallaber (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 July 2005
Reference
436 c1WH
House
House of Commons

I congratulate my hon. Friend on securing this debate. Is she aware that last year NHS Logistics beat all comers, including private sector organisations, to win the coveted supply chain of the year award, which is organised by Motor Transport magazine?

Member
Jonathan Shaw (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 July 2005
Reference
436 c1WH
House
House of Commons

: My hon. Friend makes a valid point. If there were a completely free market, the NHS Logistics Authority might do more business than it does at the moment. It is important to note that we already have an efficient business that guarantees security of delivery, and that it is...

Member
Mike Hall (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 July 2005
Reference
436 c10WH
House
House of Commons

: My hon. Friend makes a valid point. The simple fact is that NHS Logistics does not have a monopoly of supply in the NHS. The NHS purchases from NHS Logistics because it is the best supplier. If the NHS was not satisfied with the service from NHS Logistics, it...

Member
Mike Hall (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 July 2005
Reference
436 c9WH
House
House of Commons

: Does my hon. Friend know whether a proper study has been carried out of whether those who will have to deal with this new private sector body—if it is created—to purchase additional goods wish to do so, or whether they wish to continue getting goods through NHS Logistics? Is...

Member
Judy Mallaber (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 July 2005
Reference
436 c9WH
House
House of Commons

: That exercise has not been carried out. Had it been done, the satisfaction ratings of NHS Logistics suggest that the 600 NHS trusts in the UK that use its services would send the message loud and clear that they are very satisfied with the service. I defy anyone to...

Member
Mike Hall (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 July 2005
Reference
436 c9-10WH
House
House of Commons

: Does my hon. Friend agree that it should be possible to open up new markets to the NHS Logistics Authority, not just in the NHS but in the private sector? There are currently constraints on the operation of markets. If we were not to take a dogmatic and ideological...

Member
Jonathan Shaw (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 July 2005
Reference
436 c10WH
House
House of Commons

: Before my hon. Friend concludes, would she like to comment on the ability of NHS Logistics to expand its capacity? We have been led to believe that the commercial directorate is considering that as an option for future operations. To meet the demands of the NHS, capacity will need...

Member
Jonathan Shaw (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 July 2005
Reference
436 c5WH
House
House of Commons

: As I understand it, NHS Logistics has dealt with that in its plans. It would be able to expand and it has built into its plans the need for additional warehousing. The original report suggested that it should reduce the number of its distribution centres to six or seven,...

Member
Judy Mallaber (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 July 2005
Reference
436 c5-6WH
House
House of Commons

I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Amber Valley (Judy Mallaber) on securing—by the skin of her teeth—this important Adjournment debate, which covers a number of constituencies, on arriving right on time and on delivering such an excellent and eloquent dissertation on the reasons why we are here this...

Member
Mike Hall (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 July 2005
Reference
436 c6-9WH
House
House of Commons

: My hon. Friend talks about increased costs to the NHS, but does he agree that if hospital trusts are not satisfied with the charges that NHS Logistics make to their hospitals they will go elsewhere? They have the ability to do that now, and most of them do not...

Member
Jonathan Shaw (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 July 2005
Reference
436 c9WH
House
House of Commons

: I would argue that, as the NHS Logistics Authority is running efficiently—when I first started investigating, I was prepared to be told that it was not efficient, but everything that we have seen makes us think that it is—I would want clear reasons for making a change spelled out...

Member
Judy Mallaber (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 July 2005
Reference
436 c4-5WH
House
House of Commons

: TNT was obviously some way down the list, because it is not mentioned on the front page. It is not even on the shortlist. The judges recognised NHS Logistics as"““the team who has created or developed the most outstanding supply chain in the country. It is the ‘best of...

Member
Jonathan Shaw (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 July 2005
Reference
436 c12-3WH
House
House of Commons

: Is my hon. Friend aware that Exel, which runs the Bridgwater site, and TNT, which he said was beaten by NHS Logistics for an award, are among the last three bidding consortiums? We know about TNT only because—perhaps inadvertently—it told its staff. Does he share my concern that Ministers...

Member
Judy Mallaber (Labour)
Type
Proceeding contributions
Date
5 July 2005
Reference
436 c13WH
House
House of Commons