Debate on bill on Wednesday, 17 July 2013, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Freud and Earl Howe.

Mesothelioma Bill [HL]

Lords report stage. Part 1 of 2.

Secondary information

Type: Parliamentary proceeding
Reference: 747 cc762-825
Session: 2013-14
Department: Department for Work and Pensions; Department of Health
Legislative stage: Report stage
Chamber / Committee: House of Lords chamber
Related items: Mesothelioma Bill (HL) 2013-14
Thursday, 9 May 2013
Bills
House of Lords; Mesothelioma Bill [HL]
Wednesday, 17 July 2013
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions: Lord Freud | 747 c762 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Freud
1: Clause 1, page 1, line 3, after “may” insert “by regulations”<...; Lord Freud | 747 cc762-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank noble Lords once again for their commitment to this Bill and for their amendmen...; Lord Browne of Ladyton | 747 c763 (Link to this contribution)
If your Lordships’ House will permit me to intervene, I do not intend to engage in debate with th...; Lord Freud | 747 c763 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I know that the noble Lord does not want me to go into detail, but I can commit to goin...; Lord Wigley | 747 c763 (Link to this contribution)
I express my appreciation for the increase from 70% to 75%, although a lot of us would have liked...; Lord Freud | 747 c766 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think that how we do this will go into secondary legislation. We are well covered. If...; Lord Wills | 747 c766 (Link to this contribution)
I, too, thank the Minister for the work that he has done so far on the Bill. It represents an eno...; Lord Freud | 747 cc766-7 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps noble Lords will indulge me and allow me to reply to that question a little later this af...; Lord Avebury | 747 c767 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thought it was best to defer my thanks until after the Minister had completed his rem...; Countess of Mar | 747 c767 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am sorry to interrupt the noble Lord, but we are debating Amendment 1, which the nobl...; Lord Avebury | 747 c767 (Link to this contribution)
I thought that this was the appropriate opportunity to raise a point about the document that has ...; Countess of Mar | 747 c768 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry, but the noble Lord is not speaking appropriately to the amendment that the noble Lord...; Lord Avebury | 747 c768 (Link to this contribution)
If the Minister is prepared to listen to my question, we shall come to an end in a few minutes.; Countess of Mar | 747 c768 (Link to this contribution)
This is Report stage and we should be addressing the amendments of the noble Lord, Lord Freud.; Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 747 c768 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I may clarify matters. The noble Countess is quite correct. This is Report and we should ...; Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 c768 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I start by thanking the noble Lord for the amendments, which we support. Putting the sc...; Countess of Mar | 747 c768 (Link to this contribution)
Again, I am sorry to interrupt the noble Lord but I wonder whether he will address Amendment 1 mo...; Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 c768 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have addressed it and was simply taking the opportunity to pick up a few points from ...; Lord Freud | 747 c769 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, perhaps I may quickly touch on some of those issues. The point raised by my noble frien...; Countess of Mar | 747 c769 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry to interrupt the Minister but would he please address his amendments and not the bits ...; Lord Freud | 747 c769 (Link to this contribution)
I have very little to say because very few points have been raised about the amendments, but I do...; Lord Alton of Liverpool | 747 c769 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Alton of Liverpool
2: Clause 1, page 1, line 6, at end insert “, and; Lord Alton of Liverpool | 747 cc769-773 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in moving Amendments 2, 20, 21, 22, 23 and 24, I join other noble Lords who have expres...; Lord Walton of Detchant | 747 cc771-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have been pleased to add my name to this amendment, so forcefully and ably proposed b...; Lord Selsdon | 747 cc774-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thought that the death sentence was cancelled many years ago, but I almost seem to ha...; Lord Pannick | 747 cc775-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have not wiggled my toes but I have added my name to the amendment of the noble Lord,...; Lord Howarth of Newport | 747 cc777-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, like all noble Lords, want to see more research into mesothelioma, above all into wa...; Lord Wigley | 747 c779 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendment. I shall address in a moment the points made by the noble Lord,...; Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 747 c779 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I greatly look forward to the Minister’s reply. I just want to say one sentence. The ve...; Bishop of Norwich | 747 c780 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support this group of amendments and I thank the Minister for his work, which was wel...; Baroness Masham of Ilton | 747 c780 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I congratulate the Minister on his hard work on this Bill and I am pleased he understan...; Lord Stoneham of Droxford | 747 cc780-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I start by giving apologies from my noble friend Lord German who should be standing in ...; Lord Deben | 747 cc781-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Howarth, made an important contribution to this discussion. As a f...; Lord Empey | 747 cc782-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the debate has been very interesting and, at many times, very moving. There is a genera...; Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 747 c783 (Link to this contribution)
I had not intended to speak but I am moved to do so by the austere and Robespierre-like logic of ...; Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 cc783-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this has been a wide-ranging debate. I do not think I will be drawn into issues of hypo...; Earl Howe | 747 cc784-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it may be a slight surprise to see a Minister from another Department of State respondi...; Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 747 c785 (Link to this contribution)
We have heard from Robespierre. I hope we are not now hearing from Danton. Will the Minister acce...; Earl Howe | 747 cc785-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I accept that fully and I will come to that point in a second.
Certainly there wa...; Lord Wigley | 747 c787 (Link to this contribution)
May I ask the noble Earl to respond to my earlier question on whether, in the context of the four...; Earl Howe | 747 c787 (Link to this contribution)
I think that there is scope for that, whether it is a stand-alone report or is built automaticall...; Lord Walton of Detchant | 747 c787 (Link to this contribution)
Before the Minister sits down and before my noble friend responds, perhaps I may ask the Minister...; Earl Howe | 747 c787 (Link to this contribution)
A very great deal of the research conducted in this country is funded by different sources. It is...; Lord Alton of Liverpool | 747 cc787-790 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am always grateful to the noble Earl and I know that the House will appreciate what h...; Earl Howe | 747 c790 (Link to this contribution)
Before the noble Lord finally decides what to do with his amendment, may I just explain why the G...; Lord Alton of Liverpool | 747 c790 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this is not about throwing money at problems. That is certainly something that I have a...; Lord Walton of Detchant | 747 c790 (Link to this contribution)
Before my noble friend sits down and eventually decides what action he proposes to take, I wish t...; Lord Alton of Liverpool | 747 c790 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my noble friend and yes, of course I am delighted that those meetings are going ...; Lord Freud | 747 c790 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Freud
3: Clause 1, page 1, line 7, leave out subsections (2) and (3); Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 c790 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord McKenzie of Luton
4: Clause 2, page 1, line 17, leave out “25 July 2012...; Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 cc790-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the amendment stands in my name and that of my noble friend Lady Sherlock. I shall also...; Lord Howarth of Newport | 747 cc795-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the common theme of the amendments in this group is that they increase eligibility with...; Lord Wigley | 747 cc797-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support these amendments and I will pick up the important points made by the noble Lo...; Lord Browne of Ladyton | 747 cc798-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support this group of amendments. In the interest of the efficient use of our time I ...; Lord Stoneham of Droxford | 747 cc799-800 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will comment on a number of issues to which these amendments give rise—and they are v...; Lord Alton of Liverpool | 747 c800 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will speak briefly to these amendments, in particular to support what the noble Lord,...; Lord Wills | 747 c801 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, support these amendments and endorse everything that has been said. On Amendmen...; Lord Howarth of Newport | 747 c801 (Link to this contribution)
My noble friend was making the point that for many years insurers got away with not paying compen...; Lord Wills | 747 c801 (Link to this contribution)
My noble friend makes an extremely important point. In Committee, he made some very telling point...; Lord Freud | 747 cc801-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank noble Lords for these amendments, which all share the same broad aim: to widen ...; Lord Howarth of Newport | 747 c802 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister is worried that the employer’s liability insurance will default to the position of l...; Lord Freud | 747 cc802-4 (Link to this contribution)
I have tried desperately hard not to end up in that position, because the “See you in court” line...; Lord Browne of Ladyton | 747 c804 (Link to this contribution)
My more fundamental point is that the insurers that sold employer’s liability compulsory insuranc...; Lord Freud | 747 c805 (Link to this contribution)
I have just made the point that the public liability may have been bundled up with employee liabi...; Baroness Masham of Ilton | 747 c805 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, what happens to the wife who has been contaminated by her husband’s dungarees? Will she...; Lord Freud | 747 c805 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, my Lords. That specifically is what the state provision is there for. In particular, the 200...; Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 c805 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his response, and all noble Lords who spoke in favour of Amendments 4 an...; Lord Freud | 747 c805 (Link to this contribution)
I must come in on that. The group—huddle?—of noble Lords who have been working on this Bill have ...; Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 c806 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Lord for that explanation although it is a pity about not being allowe...; Lord Freud | 747 c806 (Link to this contribution)
I just want to clarify the point about the expectations or otherwise of the insurance industry. F...; Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 cc806-7 (Link to this contribution)
Again, I am grateful to the Minister for that explanation, but it seems to me that the expectatio...; Lord Freud | 747 c807 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Freud
7: Clause 2, page 2, line 19, leave out “regulations made by the ...; Lord Freud | 747 c810 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Freud
9: Clause 3, page 2, line 47, leave out “regulations made by the ...; Lord Freud | 747 c810 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Freud
10: Clause 4, page 3, line 4, leave out “regulations made by the ...; Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 c810 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord McKenzie of Luton
11: Clause 4, page 3, line 4, at end insert “but shal...; Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 cc810-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 13. Amendment 11 requires that those diagnosed with dif...; Lord Howarth of Newport | 747 cc811-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 16 is in my name. Again, the common theme is that the amendments in this grou...; Lord Wigley | 747 cc814-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak primarily to the lead amendment, to which I have added my name, and retur...; Lord Browne of Ladyton | 747 cc815-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have added my name to the amendment in the name of my noble friend Lord Wigley. When ...; Lord Wills | 747 cc818-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, support the amendments in this group and endorse everything that my noble frien...; Lord James of Blackheath | 747 c819 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, before the Minister replies, I should like to return to a point that came up in Committ...; Lord Freud | 747 cc819-822 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank noble Lords for tabling these amendments. I will start with those relating to t...; Lord McKenzie of Luton | 747 c822 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken in favour of Amendments 11 and 13. Perhaps I ma...; Lord Freud | 747 c825 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Freud
14: Clause 4, page 3, line 5, leave out “regulations” and insert ...
Subjects: Compensation Asbestos Liability Industrial diseases Mesothelioma
Legislation: Mesothelioma Bill (HL) 2013-14
Link: View this Parliamentary proceeding on www.publications.parliament.uk

Mesothelioma Bill [HL]

Secondary information

Librarians' tools