Debate on bill on Monday, 9 November 2015, in the House of Commons, led by David Mundell. The answering members were Angus Robertson and Ian Murray.

Scotland Bill

Report stage. Government new clause 12 (Permanence of the Scottish Parliament and Scottish Government), discussed with Government new clause 13 (Functions exercisable within devolved competence: elections); new clause 1 (Independent Commission on Full Fiscal Autonomy); new clause 4 (Review of operation of gift aid in Scotland); new clause 6 (Local discretionary taxation); new clause 7 (Local authority's power of general competence); new clause 8 (Competences of local government in Scotland); new clause 35 (Consent of the Scottish Parliament to certain Westminster Acts); new clause 36 (Scottish independence referendum). Government new clauses 12 and 13 agreed to. New clause 1 negatived on division (191 votes to 341). New clause 35 negatived on division (245 votes to 287). New clause 36 negatived on division (56 votes to 289 - corrected from 56 to 269 by Speaker's statement on 10 November). Clause 1 amended and replaced by Government new clause 12. Government new clause 14 (Welfare foods), discussed with Government new clause 15 (Abortion); Government new clause 16 (Public sector duty regarding socio-economic inequalities); Government new clause 17 (Destination of fines, forfeitures and fixed penalties); new clause 2 (New benefits); new clause 3 (Joint Committee on Welfare Devolution); new clause 5 (Childcare element of universal credit); new clause 10 (Commission on social and economic rights); new clause 18 (Tax credits); new clause 19 (Employment and industrial relations); new clause 20 (National minimum wage); new clause 21 (National insurance: employers' contributions); new clause 22 (Job search and support); new clause 23 (Working age benefits); new clause 24 (Universal credit: powers to vary other elements); new clause 25 (Benefits relating to children); new clause 26 (Health and safety); new clause 27 (Equal opportunities); new clause 28 (Crown property); new clause 29 (Party political broadcasts); new clause 30 (Broadcasting); new clause 31 (Levies in respect of agriculture, taking wild game, aquaculture and fisheries etc); new clause 32 (Rail services); new clause 33 (Civil Aviation Authority); new schedule 1 (Joint Committee on Welfare Devolution). Government new clauses 14, 16, 17, and 34 agreed to. Government new clause 15 agreed to on division (350 votes to 183). New clause 18 negatived on division (56 votes to 477). New clause 27 negatived on division (61 votes to 288). Amendment to clause 32 (Equal opportunities) negatived on division (242 votes to 287). Other amendments to clauses agreed to. Third reading. Queen's Consent signified. Agreed to on question and Bill passed.

Secondary information

Type: Parliamentary proceeding
Reference: 602 cc49-190
Session: 2015-16
Department: Scotland Office
Legislative stage: Third reading; Report stage
Procedure: New clauses; New schedules; Queen's consent
Chamber / Committee: House of Commons chamber
Related items: Scotland Bill 2015-16
Thursday, 28 May 2015
Bills
House of Commons; Scotland Bill 2015-16: Committee stage report
Wednesday, 4 November 2015
Research briefings; Speaker’s Statement
Tuesday, 10 November 2015
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions: David Mundell | 602 c50 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.; Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 602 cc50-6 (Link to this contribution)
With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:
Government new clause 13—Function...; David Mundell | 602 cc56-9 (Link to this contribution)
This is a significant day for Scotland, as we move the public debate about our country’s future f...; Ian Murray | 602 c59 (Link to this contribution)
The Secretary of State is cantering through the Government amendments. Can he clarify for the Hou...; David Mundell | 602 c59 (Link to this contribution)
As the hon. Gentleman will know, the Trade Union Bill is still under discussion in this House, an...; Graham Allen | 602 c59 (Link to this contribution)
It is very nice once again to be talking about Scottish—[Interruption.] I give way to the Clerk. ...; Ian Blackford | 602 c59 (Link to this contribution)
rose—; Graham Allen | 602 cc59-60 (Link to this contribution)
If the hon. Gentleman will allow me, I will make my case and happily give way later.
If the...; Ian Blackford | 602 c60 (Link to this contribution)
If the hon. Gentleman had been paying attention to events in Scotland, he would recognise that th...; Graham Allen | 602 c60 (Link to this contribution)
It is always good to hear of examples of further devolution. I say more power to those who want t...; Dan Poulter | 602 c60 (Link to this contribution)
As always, the hon. Gentleman makes a coherent argument about constitutional matters on which he ...; Graham Allen | 602 c60 (Link to this contribution)
It is important to see devolution develop in stages. I mentioned earlier that we have made a star...; Philippa Whitford | 602 c61 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman not see that the whole point of devolution is to ensure that those decisi...; Graham Allen | 602 c61 (Link to this contribution)
I cannot speak for this place; I can give only my personal opinion. The hon. Lady has heard me sa...; 602 c61 (Link to this contribution); Graham Allen | 602 c61 (Link to this contribution)
I will give way in a second.
If we believe in localism, or in subsidiarity—a word that I us...; Kirsty Blackman | 602 c61 (Link to this contribution)
In Scotland less than 2% of the money provided for local authorities is ring-fenced, while in Eng...; Graham Allen | 602 c61 (Link to this contribution)
I understand why it is sensitive when I talk about issues that colleagues in the Scottish Nationa...; 602 c61 (Link to this contribution); Graham Allen | 602 c61 (Link to this contribution)
I will give way after I have answered the question from the colleague of the Members who are risi...; Pete Wishart | 602 c61 (Link to this contribution)
On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. We have five hours in which to debate critical and sig...; Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 602 c62 (Link to this contribution)
I understand the point that the hon. Gentleman has made, and I take it very seriously. I have bee...; Graham Allen | 602 c62 (Link to this contribution)
Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. Perhaps the hon. Member for Perth and North Perthshire (Pete Wis...; Kirsten Oswald | 602 c62 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?; Graham Allen | 602 c62 (Link to this contribution)
I was going to give way to the hon. Member for Ross, Skye and Lochaber (Ian Blackford), but I wil...; Kirsten Oswald | 602 c62 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way. He has just said that this is not just about Scotland....; Graham Allen | 602 cc62-3 (Link to this contribution)
I know it is difficult to accept, when one listens to one’s own propaganda that these matters are...; Ian Blackford | 602 c63 (Link to this contribution)
I just wonder whether the hon. Gentleman sees the irony in the fact that we voted through English...; Graham Allen | 602 c63 (Link to this contribution)
I have a lot of sympathy with the generality of what the hon. Gentleman is saying, but I have to ...; Ian Blackford | 602 c63 (Link to this contribution)
How did you get on?; Graham Allen | 602 c63 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman asks from a sedentary position how we got on: 50% of Scottish people voted aga...; John Nicolson | 602 c63 (Link to this contribution)
Winding up.; Graham Allen | 602 c63 (Link to this contribution)
Now one hears very little—; John Nicolson | 602 c63 (Link to this contribution)
In conclusion—; Graham Allen | 602 c63 (Link to this contribution)
I am winding up in a way the hon. Gentleman may not approve of—I am getting my first wind.
...; Christian Matheson | 602 c63 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend detect from the interventions of the SNP Members that they are perfectly happ...; Graham Allen | 602 cc63-4 (Link to this contribution)
I hope—[Interruption.]
I hope that even those who are heckling and shouting would say that ...; Lord Austin of Dudley | 602 c64 (Link to this contribution)
I take a different view from that of my hon. Friend the Member for City of Chester (Christian Mat...; Graham Allen | 602 c64 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure that the Chair would call me to order if I answered my hon. Friend’s very pertinent que...; Andrew Bridgen | 602 c64 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman talks about devolving power. As everyone in the Chamber knows, money is power....; Graham Allen | 602 c65 (Link to this contribution)
I bracket the Scottish National party and the Conservative party together. If they do good things...; David Anderson | 602 c65 (Link to this contribution)
May I just gently remind colleagues from Scotland that they were elected to this United Kingdom P...; Graham Allen | 602 c65 (Link to this contribution)
That is why, knowing many of my parliamentary colleagues from Scotland, I rely on their generosit...; Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 602 c65 (Link to this contribution)
Order. The hon. Gentleman is very patient, but I am not happy to have shouting and gesticulation—...; Graham Allen | 602 c66 (Link to this contribution)
I will certainly go a lot quicker if people allow me to. As always, not a person in this Chamber ...; Edward Leigh | 602 cc66-7 (Link to this contribution)
I wish to speak to new clause 1, which calls for an independent commission on full fiscal autonom...; Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh | 602 c67 (Link to this contribution)
I do indeed remember the amendment that the hon. Gentleman brought before the House in relation; Edward Leigh | 602 c68 (Link to this contribution)
I do not know if the new shadow Chancellor voted in our Lobby, but there seems to be an interesti...; Ian Murray | 602 c68 (Link to this contribution)
I respect the hon. Gentleman immensely. If he thinks back to the debate we had on 15 June, he wil...; Edward Leigh | 602 cc68-9 (Link to this contribution)
I do not want to get into a debate about a black hole, the deficit and all the rest of it. I reme...; Angus Robertson | 602 cc69-70 (Link to this contribution)
I rise to speak to the amendments tabled in my name and those of my right hon. and hon. Friends i...; David Mundell | 602 c70 (Link to this contribution)
Since the hon. Gentleman has put that on the record so many times, I want to point out that the C...; Angus Robertson | 602 c70 (Link to this contribution)
Oh dear, oh dear! The right hon. Gentleman had the opportunity to name a single country in the in...; David Mundell | 602 c70 (Link to this contribution)
Twenty thousand votes up.; Angus Robertson | 602 c70 (Link to this contribution)
For the Secretary of State for Scotland to deny the facts just goes to show how far the Conservat...; Lord Austin of Dudley | 602 c71 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?; Angus Robertson | 602 c71 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman will have time to make a speech later in the proceedings. There is very little...; Jim Shannon | 602 c71 (Link to this contribution)
I spoke to the right hon. Gentleman before the debate, so he knew that this question was coming. ...; Angus Robertson | 602 cc71-2 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman has put his point of view on the record. I encourage him to get in touch direc...; Ian Murray | 602 c72 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful that the right hon. Gentleman has got on to the fiscal framework. At Scottish quest...; Angus Robertson | 602 cc72-3 (Link to this contribution)
Without wanting to concern the hon. Gentleman, I agree with him. Transparency is a good thing. Ou...; Alberto Costa | 602 cc73-4 (Link to this contribution)
It is a pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Moray (Angus Robertson)—[Interruption.] I ap...; Stewart Hosie | 602 c74 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?; Alberto Costa | 602 c74 (Link to this contribution)
It is a pleasure to give way to the hon. Gentleman.; Stewart Hosie | 602 c74 (Link to this contribution)
That was a very generous way of giving way. The hon. Gentleman said that there will be substantia...; Alberto Costa | 602 c74 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman already has extensive powers over income tax. We should ask why, in the past e...; Ian Blackford | 602 c74 (Link to this contribution)
It is interesting to hear that the hon. Gentleman has lived in England for 15 years and represent...; Alberto Costa | 602 c74 (Link to this contribution)
It would be fair to say that SNP Members simply do not want to answer the question about accounta...; Simon Hoare | 602 c74 (Link to this contribution)
These are serious and important issues for the constitutional governance of our country. Does my ...; Alberto Costa | 602 cc74-5 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is absolutely correct. The laughter that we are hearing from SNP Members about the...; Chris Stephens | 602 c75 (Link to this contribution)
I think my hon. Friend the Member for Edinburgh East (Tommy Sheppard), who owns a comedy club, wi...; Alberto Costa | 602 c75 (Link to this contribution)
We can see that the respect agenda only goes from the Government Benches to the SNP Benches. Ther...; Alan Brown | 602 c75 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman has said that one of the biggest issues for his constituents in South Leiceste...; Alberto Costa | 602 cc75-6 (Link to this contribution)
I do not understand the hon. Gentleman’s point. If he is talking about a Member who comes from Sc...; Philippa Whitford | 602 c76 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman suggests that we do not know what was in the mind of the no voters. We have sp...; Alberto Costa | 602 c76 (Link to this contribution)
Given the promises that the former First Minister made about oil tax revenues, many yes voters ha...; John Nicolson | 602 c76 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?; Alberto Costa | 602 cc76-7 (Link to this contribution)
Not at this stage.
The truth is that the SNP simply does not want to answer the legitimate ...; Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh | 602 c77 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman will forgive me if SNP Members do not sit here and listen to him do down our S...; Alberto Costa | 602 c77 (Link to this contribution)
I am shining a light on what is really happening in Scotland under the one-party state that has b...; Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 602 c77 (Link to this contribution)
Order. Hon. Members might not agree with what the hon. Gentleman is saying, but it is simply rude...; Alberto Costa | 602 c77 (Link to this contribution)
What will the people of Scotland make of the laughter coming from the SNP Benches? That is disres...; Natalie McGarry | 602 c77 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is concluding on the basis that the Bill goes as far as the Smith commission, ...; Alberto Costa | 602 c77 (Link to this contribution)
That is simply not the case. The Scottish Parliament’s committees are stuffed to the gunnels with...; Tommy Sheppard | 602 c78 (Link to this contribution)
Let me start with some context. We are discussing this Bill because of what happened on 18 Septem...; Alberto Costa | 602 c78 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?; Tommy Sheppard | 602 c78 (Link to this contribution)
I would be happy to give way if we will get a joke.; Alberto Costa | 602 c78 (Link to this contribution)
Again, part of the disrespect agenda. Does the hon. Gentleman accept that last year’s referendum ...; Tommy Sheppard | 602 c79 (Link to this contribution)
I never said that. I accept—every Government should accept this—that no Government have the right...; Danny Kinahan | 602 c79 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman understand that the rest of the United Kingdom would also like a say in t...; Natascha Engel | 602 c79 (Link to this contribution)
Order. These interventions are very long.; Danny Kinahan | 602 c79 (Link to this contribution)
The message I got from my electorate is that the Union is in danger and they do not want the Unio...; Tommy Sheppard | 602 cc79-80 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman must speak for the people who elected him, and I will speak for those who elec...; Ian Murray | 602 c80 (Link to this contribution)
Given the codification of the Sewel convention in new clause 36, I give the hon. Gentleman—my con...; Tommy Sheppard | 602 cc80-1 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the shadow Secretary of State for his support on this matter. The principle is c...; Lord Austin of Dudley | 602 c81 (Link to this contribution)
In September 1997, I travelled from Dudley to Glasgow and Edinburgh to support the late Donald De...; Natascha Engel | 602 c81 (Link to this contribution)
Order. There is an awful lot of noise in the Chamber while the hon. Gentleman is on his feet.
...; Lord Austin of Dudley | 602 c81 (Link to this contribution)
Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker.
I remember helping to organise events at which Donald Dewa...; Stephen Gethins | 602 c82 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman think that these proposals are—to quote a Scotsman—
“as close to a ...; Lord Austin of Dudley | 602 c82 (Link to this contribution)
As I have said, the proposals will make the Scottish Parliament the most powerful devolved parlia...; Philippa Whitford | 602 c82 (Link to this contribution)
Our junior doctors in Scotland are not out on the streets marching and balloting for strike actio...; Lord Austin of Dudley | 602 c82 (Link to this contribution)
I will come on to the SNP’s record on running the health service shortly, but before I do—[Interr...; Natascha Engel | 602 c82 (Link to this contribution)
Order. No shouting out, please. A Member is speaking and it is quite difficult to hear what he is...; Lord Austin of Dudley | 602 c82 (Link to this contribution)
I am afraid they are behaving like nationalist bullies the world over. They try to silence anybod...; Alberto Costa | 602 c83 (Link to this contribution)
Is it not a disgrace that the people of Scotland, including Labour supporters and Conservatives w...; Lord Austin of Dudley | 602 cc83-4 (Link to this contribution)
I completely agree with the hon. Gentleman. It is an absolute disgrace.
An even bigger disg...; Joanna Cherry | 602 cc84-5 (Link to this contribution)
In contrast with the previous speech, which was an ill-informed diatribe criticising the Scottish...; Wayne David | 602 c85 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. and learned Lady give way?; Joanna Cherry | 602 c85 (Link to this contribution)
I think I will make some progress, if the hon. Gentleman does not mind.
Last year, the Scot...; Alberto Costa | 602 c85 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. and learned Lady give way?; Joanna Cherry | 602 c85 (Link to this contribution)
No, I will make progress. We have heard quite a lot from the hon. Gentleman already. These are im...; Alberto Costa | 602 c85 (Link to this contribution)
rose—; Joanna Cherry | 602 c85 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is clearly desperate to get his oar in, so I will give way.; Alberto Costa | 602 c86 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. and learned Lady raises some important issues, but she is pre-judging what the Secretary...; Joanna Cherry | 602 c86 (Link to this contribution)
It is hard to take that seriously. Since we have been in the House, we have, through the judiciou...; Wayne David | 602 c86 (Link to this contribution)
It was only about five minutes ago, but I thank the hon. and learned Lady very much indeed. I agr...; Joanna Cherry | 602 c86 (Link to this contribution)
I do. As our First Minister has made clear, and as I have made clear in the House several times, ...; Angus Robertson | 602 c87 (Link to this contribution)
Just now, in response to my hon. and learned Friend’s point about our being excluded from the Joi...; Joanna Cherry | 602 c87 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for drawing that to my attention. I would be delighted to t...; Alberto Costa | 602 c87 (Link to this contribution)
It is important that we have sensible lawyers on the Committee. The hon. and learned Lady keeps s...; Joanna Cherry | 602 c87 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure viewers in Scotland and everyone reading Hansard tomorrow will be interested to hear th...; Pete Wishart | 602 c87 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is probably equally delighted that there are six unelected donors and cronies ...; Joanna Cherry | 602 c87 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure he is. The hon. Gentleman’s interventions and speech underline the reality of our conce...; Chris Bryant | 602 c87 (Link to this contribution)
“They” want to?; Joanna Cherry | 602 c87 (Link to this contribution)
I want to. We want to.; Chris Bryant | 602 c87 (Link to this contribution)
You said “they”.; Joanna Cherry | 602 c87 (Link to this contribution)
I said “we”. Listen carefully. I know my accent is a bit difficult to follow, but I said “we”.; Gavin Newlands | 602 cc87-8 (Link to this contribution)
In the wake of Scotland’s referendum on independence last year, the Prime Minister set up the Smi...; Ian Murray | 602 c88 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is making an incredibly compelling argument about legalising and codifying the...; Gavin Newlands | 602 c89 (Link to this contribution)
I appreciate the shadow Secretary of State’s support on this matter, which I will take up with my...; Ian Blackford | 602 c89 (Link to this contribution)
I rise to support new clause 36, which would give powers to Scotland over whether and when we hol...; Alberto Costa | 602 c89 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is standing in front of another distinguished Member, the right hon. Member fo...; Ian Blackford | 602 c90 (Link to this contribution)
I always agree with my right hon. Friend the Member for Gordon (Alex Salmond); the point is that ...; Ian Murray | 602 c90 (Link to this contribution)
I always enjoy listening to the hon. Gentleman making his passionate speeches in this Chamber. I ...; Ian Blackford | 602 c90 (Link to this contribution)
The point is that the Scottish people were promised by Gordon Brown that we were going to get “po...; David Mundell | 602 c90 (Link to this contribution)
We are.; Ian Blackford | 602 c90 (Link to this contribution)
Despite what the Secretary of State says, the reality of the situation is that 70% of powers over...; Ian Murray | 602 c90 (Link to this contribution)
If the hon. Gentleman is truly passionate about protecting the people of Scotland, he will no dou...; Ian Blackford | 602 c90 (Link to this contribution)
The Scottish National party in power in Scotland over the last few years has sought to mitigate t...; Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh | 602 c90 (Link to this contribution)
I would like to remind the House that, unlike the Labour party on the Benches next to us, we are ...; Ian Blackford | 602 cc90-1 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend.
This is also about our ethos, the kind of society we are a...; Lord Austin of Dudley | 602 c91 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?; Ian Blackford | 602 c91 (Link to this contribution)
No, I am going to make some progress, if the hon. Gentleman does not mind.
So I say to thos...; Lord Austin of Dudley | 602 c91 (Link to this contribution)
rose—; Ian Blackford | 602 c91 (Link to this contribution)
I want to make some progress.
Labour Members need to start learning the lesson that Scotlan...; Wayne David | 602 cc91-3 (Link to this contribution)
The acid test of this Bill is whether it delivers on the vow and the recommendations of the Smith...; Callum McCaig | 602 c93 (Link to this contribution)
Paragraph 18 of the Smith commission report states:
“It is agreed that nothing in this repo...; Wayne David | 602 c93 (Link to this contribution)
I may be mistaken, but I thought the Scottish people had made a decision—a very firm and clear-cu...; Callum McCaig | 602 c93 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?; Wayne David | 602 c93 (Link to this contribution)
I give way a second time.; Callum McCaig | 602 c93 (Link to this contribution)
On the history of this issue, the referendum happened in September, and the Smith commission from...; Wayne David | 602 c93 (Link to this contribution)
No one is seeking to deny the people of Scotland anything. I simply remind the hon. Gentleman tha...; Lord Austin of Dudley | 602 c94 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend agree that this obsession with organising another referendum proves the centr...; Wayne David | 602 c94 (Link to this contribution)
I could not agree more. In my book, devolution is not about divorce, separation or schism. It is ...; Patrick Grady | 602 c94 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?; Wayne David | 602 c94 (Link to this contribution)
I will, for the third time.; Patrick Grady | 602 c94 (Link to this contribution)
I may have misheard the hon. Gentleman, but it sounded as if he said that the Scottish Parliament...; Wayne David | 602 c94 (Link to this contribution)
What the amendment seeks to do is take away caveats that are essential in defining the partnershi...; Ian Blackford | 602 c94 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?; Wayne David | 602 c94 (Link to this contribution)
I will give away yet again.; Ian Blackford | 602 c94 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for being so gracious with his time. This is a very important...; Wayne David | 602 c94 (Link to this contribution)
I think that the obsession with having a referendum at all costs is very sad for the people of Sc...; Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh | 602 c94 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?; Wayne David | 602 c94 (Link to this contribution)
No. I have given way four times already.
Sometimes SNP Members have to be told, and I am te...; 602 c95 (Link to this contribution); Wayne David | 602 cc95-6 (Link to this contribution)
I want to make a bit of progress now.
The fact is that these are not dry constitutional iss...; Edward Leigh | 602 c96 (Link to this contribution)
I refer the hon. Gentleman to his own new clause 1. Do I take it that because the Labour party wa...; Wayne David | 602 c96 (Link to this contribution)
We believe that the facts should be allowed to speak for themselves. In our view, the case has no...; Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh | 602 c96 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman agree with the shadow Chancellor, who, earlier this year, walked through ...; Wayne David | 602 c96 (Link to this contribution)
He did that for his own reasons, and for different reasons. What was obvious to me, and very tell...; Nick Thomas-Symonds | 602 c96 (Link to this contribution)
I know that my hon. Friend, like me, is a student of history. He will know of the test set by tha...; Wayne David | 602 c97 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, indeed. They are very strong on rhetoric, as we have heard this afternoon. They have had str...; Edward Leigh | 602 c97 (Link to this contribution)
Could it just be that the Tory right, as the hon. Gentleman describes it, and the present Labour ...; Wayne David | 602 c97 (Link to this contribution)
One of the key reasons why we are broadly in support of what the Government are belatedly proposi...; Lord Austin of Dudley | 602 c97 (Link to this contribution)
A moment ago my hon. Friend expressed surprise that the SNP and the Tory right were voting togeth...; Wayne David | 602 cc97-8 (Link to this contribution)
All I would say is that it is quite clear that the truth hurts sometimes, does it not? They have ...; David Mundell | 602 c99 (Link to this contribution)
I think that during at least part of this debate some of the amendments tabled by both the Govern...; Callum McCaig | 602 c99 (Link to this contribution)
Ironically, what gives us a real, and cruel, sense of déjà vu is that despite barely a dozen Cons...; David Mundell | 602 c99 (Link to this contribution)
There is not a shred of evidence to suggest that the people of Scotland want full fiscal autonomy...; 602 c99 (Link to this contribution); David Mundell | 602 c99 (Link to this contribution)
I need to deal with the specific issues that have been raised, including gift aid. I commend the ...; Ian Murray | 602 c100 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Secretary of State for his clarification on gift aid. That is a significant ...; David Mundell | 602 c100 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. Gentleman for that.
I also thank the hon. Member for Edinburgh East (Tommy...; Chris Stephens | 602 c100 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister give way?; David Mundell | 602 cc100-1 (Link to this contribution)
I want to respond to all the points raised on the new clauses and amendments if I can.
The ...; Edward Leigh | 602 c101 (Link to this contribution)
Will my right hon. Friend deal briefly with amendment 224, which has been tabled by the SNP? Acco...; David Mundell | 602 c101 (Link to this contribution)
Throughout the course of these debates it has been clear that the strongest advocate of full fisc...; Angus Brendan MacNeil | 602 c101 (Link to this contribution)
rose—; David Mundell | 602 cc101-2 (Link to this contribution)
I want to deal with new clause 36, which is an important proposal—at least the hon. Gentleman’s c...; Bob Blackman | 602 c120 (Link to this contribution)
On a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. Last night, on Remembrance Sunday, a picture of a swastik...; Lindsay Hoyle | 602 c120 (Link to this contribution)
On Remembrance Sunday there is no time when it is acceptable to project anything on to the House ...; Edward Leigh | 602 c120 (Link to this contribution)
On a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. Will you just explain the procedure of the House, because...; Lindsay Hoyle | 602 c120 (Link to this contribution)
I know that I do not need to explain it to you, and I do not need to waste any more time because ...; Edward Leigh | 602 c120 (Link to this contribution)
No, this actually is a genuine point of order.; Lindsay Hoyle | 602 c120 (Link to this contribution)
I am surprised.; Edward Leigh | 602 c120 (Link to this contribution)
I know they are very rare. Am I right, Mr Deputy Speaker, in thinking that it would be in order f...; Lindsay Hoyle | 602 c121 (Link to this contribution)
It is not for the Chair to decide what the SNP does; it is up to the SNP to decide what it moves ...; David Mundell | 602 c121 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.; Lindsay Hoyle | 602 cc121-134 (Link to this contribution)
With this it will be convenient to discuss Government new clause 34—Power to create other new ben...; David Mundell | 602 c134 (Link to this contribution)
Let me begin by dealing with the specific issue of welfare funds, on which I am accepting an amen...; Ian Murray | 602 c134 (Link to this contribution)
For the sake of clarity, will the Secretary of State say whether the Scotland Bill, as drafted th...; David Mundell | 602 cc134-5 (Link to this contribution)
I have said it on numerous occasions and I am very happy to say it again: the Scotland Bill, as i...; Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh | 602 c135 (Link to this contribution)
For clarity on the tax credit cuts, what provision is there for those who will lose their tax cre...; David Mundell | 602 c135 (Link to this contribution)
I do not know whether the hon. Lady is familiar with the income tax provisions in the Bill, but t...; 602 c135 (Link to this contribution); David Mundell | 602 c135 (Link to this contribution)
No, I will not give way.
SNP Members will have a whole range of benefits, but rather than p...; Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh | 602 c135 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Secretary of State give way?; David Mundell | 602 cc135-6 (Link to this contribution)
No. I have dealt with that issue.
There was much debate in Committee on the universal credi...; Ian Murray | 602 c136 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Secretary of State for accepting a lot of the Labour amendments, and indeed ...; David Mundell | 602 c136 (Link to this contribution)
I do not think that that is an accurate reflection of what I said. I made it very clear that the ...; Melanie Onn | 602 c136 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Secretary of State give way?; David Mundell | 602 c136 (Link to this contribution)
Not just at the moment, if the hon. Lady will let me finish.
Those groups are clear that th...; Yvette Cooper | 602 c137 (Link to this contribution)
The Secretary of State will know that it is not in the gift of any one Minister to make such a de...; David Mundell | 602 c137 (Link to this contribution)
My starting point is that I believe that the Scottish Parliament has the capacity to deal with th...; Deidre Brock | 602 c137 (Link to this contribution)
Does the Minister agree that it is extraordinary that, despite all three main parties in Scotland...; David Mundell | 602 c137 (Link to this contribution)
I do not totally agree with that analysis, either. However, I am strongly of the view that there ...; Yvette Cooper | 602 c137 (Link to this contribution)
Does the Secretary of State not realise that he is setting up two different systems, one for Scot...; Lindsay Hoyle | 602 c137 (Link to this contribution)
Order. The right hon. Lady is hoping to catch my eye. I want to hear her speech then, rather than...; David Mundell | 602 c137 (Link to this contribution)
I do not think that there is any evidence to suggest that what the right hon. Lady describes will...; Jess Phillips | 602 c137 (Link to this contribution)
My understanding is that this matter was not originally in the devolution plans, but was added af...; David Mundell | 602 c138 (Link to this contribution)
I can confirm that that is absolutely not the case. The Smith commission report makes it clear th...; Angela Crawley | 602 c138 (Link to this contribution)
As was made clear in Committee, the Scottish Government have made it clear in no uncertain terms ...; David Mundell | 602 c138 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure that the hon. Lady and other Members will have heard me say that I am absolutely satisf...; Melanie Onn | 602 c138 (Link to this contribution)
The Smith commission did not say that abortion should be devolved now, but that a procedure shoul...; David Mundell | 602 c138 (Link to this contribution)
If the hon. Lady looks at the Smith commission report, she will see that it does not say that the...; Mark Menzies | 602 c139 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with the Secretary of State that it is right that we trust the Scottish Parliament on thi...; David Mundell | 602 c139 (Link to this contribution)
I think I have made it clear that simply devolving the power does not mean that there will be a c...; Stephen Kinnock | 602 c139 (Link to this contribution)
Does the Secretary of State agree that a woman’s right to choose should be universal?; David Mundell | 602 c139 (Link to this contribution)
That is not the nature of this debate. We are debating whether the Scottish Parliament should hav...; 602 c139 (Link to this contribution); David Mundell | 602 c139 (Link to this contribution)
I am afraid I am going to move on to discuss the Crown Estate, another important issue that has b...; Alan Brown | 602 c139 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 31(1) actually begins, “The Treasury may make”, which is hardly a ringing endorsement of t...; David Mundell | 602 cc139-141 (Link to this contribution)
Obviously I do not accept that analysis. The Crown Estate transfer scheme and the memorandum betw...; Eilidh Whiteford | 602 c141 (Link to this contribution)
I rise to speak to the amendments tabled by my hon. Friends and I, and I am just sorry that we do...; Melanie Onn | 602 c141 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Lady give way?; Eilidh Whiteford | 602 c142 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps a bit later.
I intend to test the will of the House on the new clause later. More t...; John Stevenson | 602 c142 (Link to this contribution)
If the SNP ever had control of tax credits, would it increase income tax to pay for them?; Eilidh Whiteford | 602 c142 (Link to this contribution)
I am glad that the hon. Gentleman has asked that question so early. Had he been listening to even...; Ian Murray | 602 c142 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Lady give way?; Eilidh Whiteford | 602 c142 (Link to this contribution)
Let me answer this question.
Nicola Sturgeon has made a clear commitment to mitigate the im...; Wes Streeting | 602 c142 (Link to this contribution)
rose—; Melanie Onn | 602 c142 (Link to this contribution)
rose—; Christian Matheson | 602 c142 (Link to this contribution)
rose—; Eilidh Whiteford | 602 c142 (Link to this contribution)
I will not give way at the moment as I want to make some progress, but I will come back to this a...; Melanie Onn | 602 c142 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. Lady for her sorority in giving way. The Scottish Government have accepted that ...; Eilidh Whiteford | 602 c142 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady really needs to stop reading her briefing sheet and listen to the debate. It is sim...; Ian Murray | 602 c143 (Link to this contribution)
I am delighted that the hon. Lady has given way, but she did not quite answer the question put to...; Eilidh Whiteford | 602 cc143-4 (Link to this contribution)
I really wish that the shadow Secretary of State had voted against the tax credit proposals when ...; Patrick Grady | 602 c144 (Link to this contribution)
Is my hon. Friend aware that in Committee the Secretary of State for Work and Pensions refused to...; Eilidh Whiteford | 602 c144 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes a critical point. We have not had clarity from the Government that they will...; 602 c144 (Link to this contribution); Eilidh Whiteford | 602 cc144-5 (Link to this contribution)
I am very conscious of time and I need to move on.
The bottom line is that we would rather ...; Chris Stephens | 602 c145 (Link to this contribution)
Will my hon. Friend confirm that Scotland’s workers’ parliament, the STUC general council, suppor...; Eilidh Whiteford | 602 c145 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes a pertinent and important point. In calling for the transfer of powers of em...; Wes Streeting | 602 c145 (Link to this contribution)
rose—; Jo Stevens | 602 c145 (Link to this contribution)
rose—; Eilidh Whiteford | 602 c145 (Link to this contribution)
I will not give way because I am conscious of time and we have a lot of amendments to get through...; Ian Lavery | 602 c145 (Link to this contribution)
What happened to the great trade union saying, “Workers of the world unite”?; Eilidh Whiteford | 602 c145 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman should address that question to the STUC, because it is the one calling for th...; Wes Streeting | 602 c145 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Lady give way?; Eilidh Whiteford | 602 cc145-6 (Link to this contribution)
I will not because I just gave way.
The Scottish Government see trade unions as key social ...; Angela Crawley | 602 c146 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend agree with me and the Equality and Human Rights Commission that devolving pow...; Eilidh Whiteford | 602 c146 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes her point well. I note that in the previous debate we talked quite a bit abo...; Jo Stevens | 602 c146 (Link to this contribution)
Can the hon. Lady explain to the House how devolving employment law will work? How will trade uni...; Eilidh Whiteford | 602 cc146-7 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady needs to remember that a great deal of the public sector is already devolved and th...; Tommy Sheppard | 602 c147 (Link to this contribution)
Will my hon. Friend give way?; Eilidh Whiteford | 602 c147 (Link to this contribution)
After that I cannot really refuse.; Tommy Sheppard | 602 c147 (Link to this contribution)
One of the largest investments of the Crown Estate in Scotland is in the Fort Kinnaird retail par...; Eilidh Whiteford | 602 cc147-9 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with my hon. Friend, who makes his point well.
As someone who represents coastal co...; Hannah Bardell | 602 c148 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend agree that the time for debating and voting today is woefully inadequate, giv...; Eilidh Whiteford | 602 c148 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes an important point, and that new clause would make a huge difference to her ...; Yvette Cooper | 602 cc148-150 (Link to this contribution)
I want to comment briefly on the proposal to devolve abortion law to the Scottish Parliament.
...; Deidre Brock | 602 c150 (Link to this contribution)
I think it is a very sad reflection of Labour Members’ mistrust in their party that they do not t...; Yvette Cooper | 602 c150 (Link to this contribution)
I think that, sadly, the hon. Lady is missing the point completely. The issue is whether there ar...; Eilidh Whiteford | 602 c150 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Lady give way?; Yvette Cooper | 602 c150 (Link to this contribution)
I have no time.
The new clause was not initially tabled by the SNP or the Scottish Secretar...; 602 c150 (Link to this contribution); Lindsay Hoyle | 602 c150 (Link to this contribution)
Order. Members cannot just stand there waiting. I should say, in fairness to the right hon. Membe...; Yvette Cooper | 602 c150 (Link to this contribution)
We have been given too little time for such an important debate, so I cannot give way, but I urge...; Pat McFadden | 602 c150 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with what has been said by my right hon. Friend the Member for Normanton, Pontefract and ...; Angela Crawley | 602 c151 (Link to this contribution)
Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?; Pat McFadden | 602 c151 (Link to this contribution)
The House is very pressed for time.
We have had experience of what happens in those circums...; Ian Murray | 602 c151 (Link to this contribution)
It is a pleasure to talk to our new clauses and amendments on this part of the Bill. We have a lo...; Stephen Gethins | 602 c151 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman think that the proposals are as close to federalism as we can get? Yes or...; Ian Murray | 602 cc151-2 (Link to this contribution)
I am delighted that the hon. Gentleman intervenes with that question, as it allows me to put the ...; Callum McCaig | 602 c152 (Link to this contribution)
The reality is that Scotland will pay for the administration of tax credits and it will also pay ...; Ian Murray | 602 c152 (Link to this contribution)
The proposal would allow for the top-up of any reserved benefit and for the introduction of any d...; Callum McCaig | 602 c152 (Link to this contribution)
rose—; Ian Murray | 602 c152 (Link to this contribution)
We are running out of time, so I shall press on.
We will not cut tax credits for Scottish w...; Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh | 602 c152 (Link to this contribution)
Twice!; Ian Murray | 602 c152 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady says “twice”, but the record will show that ours is a clearly costed policy that wo...; 602 c153 (Link to this contribution); Ian Murray | 602 cc153-4 (Link to this contribution)
I shall move on, because we are running out of time—[Interruption.] We have already heard complai...; Pat McFadden | 602 c154 (Link to this contribution)
The Secretary of State has said time and again when taking interventions that the Scottish Parlia...; Ian Murray | 602 c154 (Link to this contribution)
Regardless of who legislates for it, we may end up with different legislative regimes on either s...; Pat McFadden | 602 c154 (Link to this contribution)
No, I did not.; Ian Murray | 602 cc154-5 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend did not take it through this place but he was heavily involved in it, and he...; David Mundell | 602 c155 (Link to this contribution)
I do not want to say too much more at this stage, other than to welcome the fact that, other than...; Mhairi Black | 602 c155 (Link to this contribution)
I asked this question of the Secretary of State for Work and Pensions in Committee but did not re...; David Mundell | 602 cc155-6 (Link to this contribution)
The Scottish Government will have to take into consideration all the decisions that they make, be...; Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh | 602 c156 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister give way?; David Mundell | 602 c156 (Link to this contribution)
No, I will not.
The amendments set out by both Labour and the SNP in relation to this group...; David Mundell | 602 cc187-8 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time.
I thank all Members for their part...; Ian Murray | 602 c188 (Link to this contribution)
I echo the Secretary of State in thanking everyone who has been involved in the Bill’s passage, i...; Patrick Grady | 602 c188 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?; Ian Murray | 602 cc188-9 (Link to this contribution)
I am not going to take interventions because I want the SNP opposition spokesman to speak, and if...; Angus Robertson | 602 cc189-190 (Link to this contribution)
As is customary, it is appropriate to put on record the appreciation of all parties, and I do so ...
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Legislation: Scotland Bill 2015-16
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